Mr. Griffin.

Would you have any knowledge, would you know if they did?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I believe there would have been something said about it if they had.

Mr. Griffin.

When did the bingo games usually start?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I couldn't say because I never went to any of them myself but I would say somewhere around 7 o'clock, because it seems to me we had worked late a few evenings and I knew when they was going on up there, but after it did get started we usually quit because there was so much noise you couldn't hear anything.

Mr. Griffin.

Was the union occupying that third floor after you got back from the service?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

All I remember they said it was a union hall, but I don't remember ever a union meeting being up there and I don't remember what union it was.

Mr. Griffin.

It was really just a big hall. It wasn't offices for any union or anything?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No; it was just actually one great big hall.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. Do you know, do you recall, that they made some arrests up there on the third floor in connection with some of those bingo games?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No; unless it would have been done late at night and I just didn't hear anything about it. I don't recall anything being done up there. I recall, it seems to me, to the best of my knowledge, the best I can remember, I think they finally stopped it because the ministerial alliance there was going to complain about it. But whether there was ever any arrest made up there oh not, I don't believe so.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Sam Jaffe ever tell you that he had an aunt and uncle who were killed by the Communist in Poland?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

You don't remember anything like that?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I don't remember Sam ever talking about Poland. The only thing he ever talked to me about was the Russian people. He never told me how they lived or anything. I had always got the impression that he could have possibly at one time been an officer in the Russian Army.

Mr. Griffin.

You think Jaffe was Russian rather than Polish?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

He was definitely Russian.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Or at least he had always said that he was. He was Russian, like he told me on so many occasions, he was Russian-Jewish.

Mr. Griffin.

During the time that you worked there for Jaffe in 1946 or 1947, were you working for him on a full-time basis?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever work for him on a part-time basis?

Mr. Fehrenrach.

No; I think whenever I worked for Sam it was always on a full-time basis.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Miller working for Jaffe on a full-time basis when you worked for him?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

After I came back from the service and went back to work for Sam it seems to me that somehow we did split up there. I think maybe Bill Miller worked a half day and I worked a half day but if we did it was for a very short period of time. It didn't last very long.

Mr. Griffin.

Well now, was Miller hired to replace you when you went into the service?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I assumed he was; yes, he was there when I came back.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he continue to work there after you left Jaffe?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No; he quit long before I did because after I came back from the service and went to work for Sam it was to the best of my knowledge Bill was only there 3 months at the very longest. And possibly not even that long.

Mr. Griffin.

Why don't we take a break here (Short recess.)

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall that this fellow that you know as Jack Rubenstein had any nicknames of any sort?