(Testimony of George William Fehrenbach)
Mr. Fehrenbach.
or not, this is just something we cannot tolerate because we know where everything is laying on our bench, and Morton had a very bad habit of coming down and moving things and then he would always bring these papers down and we was always constantly in it so I just got to the place where I couldn't get along with him, so I just quit.
Mr. Griffin.
Where did you move to after that?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Well, when I quit there I went to work for Warner Gear.
Mr. Griffin.
Did you work for them as a jeweler?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No; that was Borg-Warner, as a machine operator.
Mr. Griffin.
I see. Did you believe at the time you were working for Borg-Warner Gear or Warner Gear, that Morton Pazol was a Communist?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Well, I would assume he was. He was before.
Mr. Griffin.
Well now this newspaper that he was receiving, was that some sort of, did it appear to be a Communist newspaper?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
It appeared to me because like I say I used to throw all the magazines in the waste basket and I threw a couple of the papers away and he gave me the devil. And I wondered what was so important, and I read one of them and here again this newspaper, it seemed to me like it was the Daily Worker and it was blasting the U.S. Government for this and for that and was running the President and everything down in the Government.
Mr. Griffin.
When you say he was leaving these, he wasn't leaving it for anybody to pick up? Was he leaving it for the trash collector?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No; he was leaving it for me because no outside people could come into my shop but I believe he was leaving them for me because he believed I would read them. They never said anything to me, after I came back from the service Herb or Morton never said anything to me about the party in any way, shape, or form. In fact, if I remember correctly, Herb and Morton treated me about as nice as any of them in Muncie, Ind., after I came back from the service. In fact, they were much friendlier than the rest of them were.
Mr. Griffin.
The rest of them meaning?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
The rest of them, the other people, acquaintances that I knew through Sam before I went into the service. Then not only that, after I turned that list in, I think this is one reason why Morton and I couldn't get along because it seemed like even Herb it didn't take too much before they would find some reason, any reason, to start complaining, and---
Mr. Griffin.
But after you took the list from them, they still rented out space in their store to you in the building?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Yes; they did. Like I say that blew over, and then on, I don't know, I could say that list was forgotten about as far as I was concerned, I mean nothing ever had been said about it for sometime and Herb and Morton continued to be, they were a little cool for a while but then they become very friendly again, in fact, Herb and Morton actually lent me enough money to start this shop. I had some money of my own and they put up the rest of it, and then I can't recall what happened or how it happened or anything about it. It was something about that list came up again after I had been with Pazols for about 3 or 4 months, it was shortly after I was there, and then, well, I know Lawson came down here, and he told me that he frankly thought I was a no-good bum because I had quit Sam .and went to work for competitors and two or three stores had started sending me work that they used to send to Sam, and he said not only that, he says, "'I happen to know for a fact you were the one who took that list or these papers at the meeting." He said "papers" and he didn't say "list." Herb and Morton were both there and it was right after that that they become very cool. Herb stayed very social but Morton, like I said, it didn't take very much for him to get started again.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you recall that bingo games were held up in that third floor?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Yes; they used to have bingo games up there, too.
Mr. Griffin.
Did the Jaffes attend these bingo games?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
I don't believe so.
Mr. Griffin.
Did the Pazols attend?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No; not that I know of.
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