Mr. Fehrenbach.

No; that is not familiar.

Mr. Griffin.

I want to hand you another photograph which I have marked George William Fehrenbach Deposition, July 22, 1964, Exhibit No. 3, and tell me if you recognize anyone in that picture?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Now these both are very familiar but I can't actually place their names.

Mr. Griffin.

Does that man--

Mr. Fehrenbach.

He is very familiar.

Mr. Griffin.

Does that man look like the man you remember as Jack Rubenstein?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Does that man look like anybody you recall having seen with Seymour and Charlotte Jasson?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

To the best of my knowledge, as I say, I can't place the name. He is very familiar but it seems to me he has been up there, it is not anybody that lived around Muncie that I remember of. But apparently it must have been one who came from Chicago. He is quite familiar. But she is not too familiar though, and yet it seems like I have seen her sometime, somewhere. But he is quite familiar but I can't put a name on him. But it is definitely not the one I remember as Jack Rubenstein.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember a person by the name of Harold Sugerman?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember a man by the name of Irwin Berkstead?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

The name is familiar but I can't associate it. I can't remember ever meeting the man. It seems the name, like I say, it seems like I heard of it but I couldn't say where.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever have any other difficulties with Sam Jaffe other than in connection with the list?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I think possibly Sam was a little unhappy with me when I quit because I had quit and tried to start a shop of my own. Several of the jewelry stores around had asked me if I wouldn't start a shop up and do their work for them because they were a little unhappy with Sam because he had started a retail store up and he was a competitor and Sam always seemed like he was always very friendly but it seemed he was not the same Mr. Jaffe I had worked with before.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he ever accuse you of anything other than taking that list?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

And he never accused me of taking that either.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he ever accuse you of taking a bracelet or any jewelry?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

After you left Mr. Jaffe, did you continue to work in Muncie?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes; I went to work in a shop of my own and I was with Herb and Morton Pazol in their store in the basement.

Mr. Griffin.

You worked with the Pazols?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I was working for myself but I was doing their work free for the rental of the space.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you rent the space in the Pazol store?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I would say approximately about 6 months. It didn't last very long because Herb and Morton and I just couldn't get along.

Mr. Griffin.

What was the basis of your disagreement?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, they were too demanding. They thought I should do all of their work first and then do the other store's work. I don't know, I think Morton and I was the one that more or less couldn't see eye-to-eye on many things. It seemed like it would take very little for us to get into an argument. One thing, I think Morton and I got into a row was he kept bringing all these here magazines and this was this newspaper that he kept bringing down there and he would leave them in my shop.

Mr. Griffin.

What kind of magazines?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

The magazines I can't remember. I know I used to throw them in the waste basket when they were in there but this one newspaper, the Daily Worker or something to that effect, and I was always complaining about him coming down there and he would always come down and nibble around my bench, moving things around on me, whether he knew anything about a jeweler