Mr. Griffin.

Do you know of other young men in Muncie whom these men approached?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No; I didn't. Not at that time I didn't know any of the other young fellows. Most of them were all of the age of Sam. Lawson was, I think, about the youngest and, of course, his sons-in-law were a little older than I. I would say they was in their late twenties.

Mr. Griffin.

Perhaps I should make my question a little more clear. Were there other people your age in Muncie whom, that you know of, your friends or what not?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

That these men approached?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No; none that I know of.

Mr. Griffin.

Had you known any of these men before you worked for Jaffe?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there anything that would indicate why they should have approached you about this?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No; no reason that I know of outside of the fact I was working for Sam.

Mr. Griffin.

When you were first approached by these people did you tell anybody that you had been--that they had approached you?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Why was that?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

It wasn't really important to me at that time.

Mr. Griffin.

You have indicated that you think now that they were approaching you about joining the Communist Party. Did you at that time think that they were approaching you about joining the Communist Party?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes; they made no bones about it.

Mr. Griffin.

What specifically did they say that would indicate they were talking about the Communist Party?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, now Phil Jasser is the one who talked to me the most and he was always talking about getting on the right side of the fence, and I had asked him specifically on several occasions what he meant by the right side of the fence, and he said well, he said, join the Communist Party. He said, "Join us in this."

Mr. Griffin.

How did they know you were on the wrong side of the fence?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Because I wouldn't attend the meetings, I suppose, I never--

Mr. Griffin.

The first time, who was the first person to ever approach you?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Phil Jasser was the first one to ever approach me.

Mr. Griffin.

This must be a, as you look back, this must be an occasion that you have some recollection of.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes; because I didn't know exactly just how to take it. I didn't want to jeopardize my job with Sam Jaffe and I didn't want to be rude to the man, and so, therefore, I told him that I would have to think about it, and I just kept putting him off.

Mr. Griffin.

What did he say on this first occasion?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, the first time he talked to me it was about how nice it would be if everybody made the same amount of money.

Mr. Griffin.

How did he happen to start that conversation with you?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I don't know. I was sitting there working and Sam was out, and Phil came in and he was waiting on Sam so he got to talking to me and asked me how I liked the work and I said fine, I loved it.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you a hardworking fellow?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, I tried to be.

Mr. Griffin.

And what sort of wages did you get at that point?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

When I was serving my apprenticeship I was working for $35 a week to start with.

Mr. Griffin.

Was that a good wage at that time?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No; I can't say that it was a good wage, but I was learning a good trade.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there anything that you had said or done that would indicate that you were unhappy that you weren't making more money?