Mr. Fehrenbach.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there anything about you or any,thing that you had said which would indicate, have indicated to Mr. Jasser that you might be receptive to the kind of things he was saying to you?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Nothing that I know of.

Mr. Griffin.

Go ahead and tell us more about this conversation.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Oh, he would--there were so many things there, but the main point he was trying to get across to me was this fact of everybody making more money, everybody made the same amount of money regardless of who their employer--their employer didn't actually make more money than the employees did.

Mr. Griffin.

At that time did he mention the Communist Party in that conversation?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Not at that time; I would say it took approximately a couple or 3 months before he actually come around and told me then that, now-my understanding were they were all Russian Jews but he didn't--I believe he called it the Fifth Party or something like .that, and I didn't even know at that time what he was talking about and then I pointblank asked him why was the Communist Party, why did he consider the Communist Party so much better .than our own democracy that we had here, and he said, "Because eventually," he said, "We are going to rule the entire world." He said it is bound to come.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he say, did he use the word "we" or did he say that they would?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, the Communist Party would eventually rule the world.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he say the Communist Party or did he say Communist philosophy or Marxist doctrine or something like that?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

It wasn't Marxist but it seemed to me like he said the Communist Party or the Communists--

Mr. Griffin.

Can you be sure at this point whether he said the Communist Party or whether he said philosophy?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes; I can definitely be sure he said the Communist Party or the Communist, I can't be sure whether he said the Communist Party or the Communist doctrine or what it was.

Mr. Griffin.

Something about Communist?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

You are not sure whether it was the Communist Party, the Communist doctrine or the Communist philosophy?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No; I am not.

Mr. Griffin.

And during these conversations what attitude had you indicated?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I wasn't interested. They knew this.

Mr. Griffin.

But he continued to--

Mr. Fehrenbach.

They continued to, just little different things that would be said. I can't remember offhand.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you argue with him?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No; I never argued with him. Like I said I didn't want to jeopardize my job there.

Mr. Griffin.

How long would these conversations last?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Anywhere from maybe a couple of minutes to 5 or 10 minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did they all occur up there in the shop?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes; they never approached me out of the shop. The only one other man that ever give me a bad time was Lawson Jaffe.

Mr. Griffin.

Did anybody, was anybody else--let me ask you this. Did these conversations continue after you returned from military service?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Lawson Jaffe approached me one time after I returned from the service, and I can't remember exactly how it all come about or what it was he said, but anyway he made some reference that I would have certainly looked a lot better in a good military uniform. He said, "You looked very, very silly in that Navy uniform."
And that made me mad and I said, "Well, I suppose I should have been in the Russian Army or something." I said, "That would have probably made you