Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Our shop was here and, of course, we had an office over here.

Mr. Griffin.

We can't see the motions you are making with your hands, this man has a machine.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

The office adjacent to the shop.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you to do this. I will give you a piece of paper and a pencil and I want you first to draw us a diagram and we can perhaps talk from the diagram.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

All right.
Our shop is here, and then Mr. Jaffe's office was here next to it. And there was a doorway here and our benches were here. The entrance into the shop was here.

Mr. Griffin.

All right.
Would you want to write "Jaffe's office." Would you want to indicate somewhere where the street is?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

This street was here. This was Walnut Street.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Why don't you write "Walnut Street" on there.
Now, would you indicate where you, write in there, where you, mentioned the benches were.
If I can state for the record in words, what you have drawn there; you have indicated that there are two rooms to the shop, each room facing on Walnut Street.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

The larger room, which is open to the public, has benches in it and the benches run along the entire side of the room which faces Walnut Street.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

OK.
Let me mark that for identification as George William Fehrenbach, July 22, 1964, Deposition Exhibit No. 1.
(The diagram referred to was marked for identification as George William Fehrenbach, July 22, 1964, Deposition Exhibit No. 1.)

Mr. Griffin.

You started to draw this exhibit I think in connection with explaining how people would come into the shop and talk to him.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes, the stairway from Walnut Street ran directly below us. It came out about here and they would come around this way and enter the shop.

Mr. Griffin.

In other words, the stairway ran up behind the shop, and they would really enter from the back side of the shop, that is?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Right, because this was on the second floor.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes. There was a halfway, I take it, on the back side of the shop.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

And so that the shop was between the hallway and Walnut Street?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, you say people would come in and visit in the shop?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes, they would come in here. Mr. Jaffe worked at the first bench here and my bench was the second one here and they would usually go into the office but, of course, I could overhear many of the things they said when they was talking in there.
Now, to my honest opinion, I don't remember whether Mr. Jaffe ever attended any of the meetings upstairs, but they used to come up and talk about having these meetings with him.

Mr. Griffin.

Let's talk about particular individuals. What particular individual do you remember coming in and talking to him?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Phil Jasser was one of the main ones.

Mr. Griffin.

Al1 right now what did Phillip Jasser do for a living?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

He had a clothing store.

Mr. Griffin.

How often did you see Philip Jasser in the store?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

On the average they--three or four times a week.