Mr. Fehrenbach.

The jewelry store or his jewelry shop, he didn't have a store, he had a jewelry shop at that time, was located on Walnut Street between Charles and Jackson and that is as close as I can come to it.

Mr. Griffin.

How large a building was it in?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

It was in a two-, three-story building.

Mr. Griffin.

What floor was his shop on?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

He was on the second floor.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he have a walk-in trade or how did he operate?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

No, I don't believe I think he had a few friends that would come up, but his friends was a business similar to mine, it was strictly wholesale, doing jewelry work for the other jewelry stores.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember what business was located directly beneath him.

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes. Lawson's Jewelers were right below us, Lawson's Jewelers, and then an entrance to the building and then there was an apparel shop on the other side but I am not sure of the name of that. It could have been, I believe it was, Roth. Roth clothing store.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, you say you don't remember whether this was a two- or three-story building?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

It was a three-story building.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there anything above the shop?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes, there was an union hall above it.

Mr. Griffin.

What union was that?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I am not sure. There was too many unions around there. There was an automotive workers union and the plumbers union and every kind of union you can think of. But I remember it was a union hall because they used to rent it out and they used to have dances up there. I think it was around every Saturday night they would have a dance there and they had their meetings up there and then anybody who wanted to have meetings could rent the place.

Mr. Griffin.

Did they have any other activity up there?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Other than Just the dances and the meetings and then this is the place where all the friends of Sam Jaffe and which were, to my honest opinion were, all Communists used to meet up there.

Mr. Griffin.

Well now, did they have any gambling up there in that union hall?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I had heard but I couldn't say that there definitely was.

Mr. Griffin.

How do you know that they had dancing up there?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, I was working on Saturday night many times, we stayed open until 9 o'clock.

Mr. Griffin.

You say Sam Jaffe's friends used to meet up there?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

How do you happen to know that?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well, this was, for the 2 years I had worked with Sam Jaffe, Morton and Herb Pazol, and Phil Jasser, Morton Standt, oh, golly, there were so many of them it is hard to remember--several of the employees from the other jewelery stores, Lawson Jaffe, of course.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Lawson Jaffe run Lawson's jewelery store?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Right. He was the nephew to Sam Jaffee.
Then there was Roth, I don't remember his first name. Then there was a Pritcher, Max Pritcher, Max and Harry Pritcher.

Mr. Griffin.

How do you spell that?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

They were son-in-laws to Sam. One of them was a son-in-law to Sam.

Mr. Griffin.

How old was Sam Jaffe at this time, would you say?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

I would say roughly Sam was around 55, 60.

Mr. Griffin.

You say that Sam Jaffe met with his friends up in this union hall?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

Well now, all of these people were connected with businesses around Muncie, and they used to come up there at various times to talk with Sam.

Mr. Griffin.

To the second floor, to Sam's jewelry store?

Mr. Fehrenbach.

The second floor shop.