Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

And they were nice enough to take us out there.

Mr. Griffin.

And?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

She said it was Jack--she said later she saw him on the television and heard his voice and she says--she knows that it was Jack that she saw outside of Parkland Hospital. I believe I wrote you these things.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; did you talk with Jack about that?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

We asked him once oh, even before the no, it couldn't have been before the trial because she called afterwards, and he couldn't remember to be very truthful. He couldn't remember being at Parkland.

Mr. Griffin.

He's denied that he was at Parkland. I mean, not simply out of memory. He's flatly denied that he was at Parkland Hospital.
Did this Mrs. Tice indicate to you that she had read any of the newspaper articles that had been previously written by a man who claimed he saw Jack at Parkland Hospital?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

You know, there is a newspaper reporter--

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Is there?

Mr. Griffin.

Who wrote an article, a couple of days after Oswald was shot, and this newspaper reporter said that he saw your brother at Parkland Hospital. Now, did Mrs. Tice indicate that she had read that article?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No; she didn't, but she did say that--that when Jack asked and--"Can someone donate a kidney or can a kidney be donated?" A man answered, "Yes, Jack," as though, you know, he knew Jack. He said, "But what nut would do it?" And Jack said, "I will." She thought this man might have known Jack.

Mr. Griffin.

When did she have her automobile accident?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I think she said in January.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, did she tell you?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I'm not positive.

Mr. Griffin.

Did she tell you why she didn't make this information known before January?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I believe she said--well, the first thing, she didn't even want her husband to know anything about it, even when she called me. She asked me if I did call; to call before 1 o'clock, because her husband comes in from work then, 1 in the afternoon and she felt he wouldn't want her to get involved. And I- -I believe I am not positive but she never dreamt that the verdict would be such, you know. She felt that a verdict like that was so--

Mr. Griffin.

How old a woman did she appear to be?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I believe in her middle forties. I thought, when I spoke to her on the phone, that she was a little, old woman, you know. Her voice seemed very weak, and I thought she might be a woman in her seventies. I was very much surprised to see her.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there anything about her which would indicate to you that she might not be reliable?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No; as a matter of fact, she told me that she had worked, or been in charge of the juvenile home down in Dallas for quite awhile, superintendent or something, some fairly high capacity.
So I thought that--I took this into consideration. I thought her a person of some responsibility and, as a matter of fact, I believe she adopted several of the children from there.

Mr. Griffin.

She is married?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes; Wilma Tice, W-i-l-m-a.

Mr. Griffin.

What was it that she said about her job at the children's home in Dallas?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

That she had--I just don't know what capacity she was employed there, but it sounds to me she was with someone----of the head of the department.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember--

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Juvenile department, children who are abandoned or orphans who are brought there.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you speak with her?