Mrs. Kaminsky.

I spoke several times to her. She called that one time and spoke quite awhile, and I believe I called her, and then she called again, I believe, not too long ago. She's called Eve, Eva.

Mr. Griffin.

What else did she tell you about her background of herself?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Not too much.

Mr. Griffin.

Did she tell you how she happened to go out to Parkland Hospital?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Did she tell you whether she went alone or with somebody else?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No; I know that she didn't want her husband to know she had been there. That she mentioned. I guess she wasn't supposed to drive or something.

Mr. Griffin.

Did she have any children of her own other than the ones she claims she adopted?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I don't believe so; I don't believe so.

Mr. Griffin.

Did she actually tell you she had adopted children?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever meet her husband?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No; I didn't. We made it our business to get there and leave before 1.

Mr. Griffin.

Did she say whether or not she'd be willing to testify to this, at the trial?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes; she would. She did. Another incident, Mr. Griffin, I can't recall Jack's cleaning woman's name--

Mr. Griffin.

Mrs. Pitts.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Pitts, Clara?

Mr. Griffin.

Elnora.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Elnora, yes. I believe it was she. I don't know how this came about, but we learned that while she Was waiting to give her testimony, that he saw and heard the two---two of the doctors that the State was calling upon after her--now, I don't know--I was trying to figure out if they were Forrester or McKay, I just don't remember, to be truthful, that they were writing down about what they were going to say, and one of them said too, as a matter of fact, I believe we have a reporter's affidavit or what do you call it, notarization--- she gave a statement and signed it.
One of them said to the other, "You are not to say that. I will tell you what to say," and these doctors followed her on the stand or in the not too far beyond her.

Mr. Griffin.

But you don't--she didn't tell you what it was that they were talking about?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

About what they were going to say?

Mr. Griffin.

But there was no--there was no statement by them that neither one of them was to state that they weren't--there is no suggestion that they were concealing any evidence or anything, is there? I It was just a question of who was going to say it?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No; there was---one made the statement, "You are not to say that. Here, this is what you are to say."

Mr. Griffin.

But you don't--

Mrs. Kaminsky.

In other words, he was changing the other one's opinion or statement.

Mr. Griffin.

You don't know what it was that they were specifically--

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Specifically they had in mind?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No; but I believe a statement was taken from--

Mr. Griffin.

Mrs. Pitts?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Mrs. Pitts.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Did Eva mention this at all?

Mr. Griffin.

I don't know.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I know a statement was taken because I remember Eva said she needed $85 or $38 to pay for it.