Mrs. Kaminsky.

I believe it is Fayette or Layette. I asked Jack to--for his name. I didn't want to ask any of the policemen, you know.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

So Jack--that's the name Jack gave me. He had operated the elevator there all the time during the selection of the jury and during the part of the trial that he was there for. And he called my sister Eva about 11 o'clock this Thursday night. I tried to figure back the date. I think I wrote it in a previous letter I addressed just to the Commission itself.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

And he said that this man who, I guess, he is a private detective or detective who takes the polygraph test, Sweatt, Allen Sweatt, had been riding in the evevator with him and Allen Sweatt said that, "Unless the State's attorney can drum or rook up some good witnesses for tomorrow, I am going walk Jack Ruby right out of this jail, because the State's attorney has lost the case." And it was the very next morning that Dean gave his testimony, if I remember correctly. I wasn't in the courtroom because I was supposed

a witness so they didn't let me in.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

So I found out--I don't know how we found out that he worked at the Southwest Automotive Parts. I don't know whether Jack found that out for me or not. I did ask Jack, and anyway, he did say he worked at some sort of automotive parts.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

We heard it was Southwest Automotive because that possibly--

Mr. Griffin.

Of course, you don't have any information that Sweat was aware of the witnesses--your suggestion, I take it, that until that Thursday night, nobody had ever heard of Officer Dean's testimony? Well, you don't know?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

You don't know whether Sweat was in communication with the district attorney and had any idea what the district attorney might have had might have had Dean lined up as a witness for a number of days?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

I take it you don't have any information that Sweat knew at that point--

Mrs. Kaminsky.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

That the district attorney--

Mrs. Kaminsky.

But we knew--I mean I knew, that Dean would eventually testify because I believe, previously, there had been something in the papers about him.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

I think even previously, if I am not mistaken, he had said that Jack had told him that he planned to kill Oswald--oh, and incidentally, at the hearing, April 29, for the motion for the new trial, this Tom Alyea and Art Sinclair from, I believe it is channel 8 down there, I think, station WFAA, talked to us and Tom Alyea said he had just spoken to Dean in a corner and he said Dean said to him--"I didn't say Jack planned it." I said, "Jack said if given the opportunity to kill Oswald, I would do it."

Mr. Griffin.

Yes. We have already--we have interviewed Alyea and that is A-l-y-e-a.

Mrs. Kaminsky.

That is what--

Mr. Griffin.

I don't recall right now what he told the FBI or anything but they did interview him. Did Mrs. Tice contact you or did she contact one of your sisters?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

She called Eva's apartment and I answered the phone. I stayed with Eva down there. I don't remember just how long after the verdict, but she said that she didn't call previously because she had been in an automobile accident and as a matter of fact, she wasn't supposed to be in Parkland Hospital that Friday, you know. She had--

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever talk to Mrs. Tice then; in person?

Mrs. Kaminsky.

Yes; Tom Alya and Art Sinclair took Eva and me out there because we had no car.