Harwood, drove up Harwood to Commerce, and took a left and proceeded about one-half block and parked on the left side of the street, I would say, about 5 feet beyond the ramp that goes into the basement of the city jail or city hall.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you passed the exit on Commerce Street from the city hall?

Mr. Dietrich.

Yes, sir; we did. We had to.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you pass the larger truck and get in front of it; or did you wait until it backed in before you proceeded further?

Mr. Dietrich.

If I remember correctly; we passed the larger truck.

Mr. Hubert.

And got in front of it?

Mr. Dietrich.

Yes; we got in front of it, and if I remember correctly, the larger truck had difficulty maneuvering into position in order to back into the--I started to say cellar--basement. Actually, it was too large to go into the basement.

Mr. Hubert.

Could you tell us how long it was between the time you first arrived at the terminal, considering the various things you have said happened, until you left starting off to go to the city jail?

Mr. Dietrich.

You mean from the time I arrived at the terminal?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes; until the time you left the terminal.

Mr. Dietrich.

How much time was consumed?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Dietrich.

I would say 20 to 25 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

Could you give us an, estimate of how long it took to make the drive from the terminal to the jail?

Mr. Dietrich.

Well, it was a Sunday morning. Traffic wasn't very heavy. We knew the route. We knew how to get there, and we knew the fastest route. I would say 6 or 7 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

After you parked, as you say you did, about 5 feet beyond the Commerce Street entrance, and until you ultimately left, did you ever leave the immediate vicinity of the armored truck that you had gone

Mr. Dietrich.

Yes, sir; I got out several times, if I remember correctly.

Mr. Hubert.

I mean, did you walk away from it?

Mr. Dietrich.

No; well, just a few feet, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

That is what I said, the immediate vicinity. You didn't go, say, 10 feet from it?

Mr. Dietrich.

No; I don't think so. I think I walked to the rear of the truck, but not beyond it. One reason why I didn't was because I was in civilian clothes and I didn't want to be questioned by any of the officers in the vicinity as to why I was there.
Had I been in uniform, I would have perhaps walked around a little more. But I stayed in the cab of the truck.

Mr. Hubert.

When did it first come to your attention there had been a shooting in the basement? How did you learn that?

Mr. Dietrich.

Well, I didn't know about it until after I had left the terminal.

Mr. Hubert.

Until after you left what?

Mr. Dietrich.

After we left the city hall and went back to the terminal and then started for home.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't know there was a shooting?

Mr. Dietrich.

I didn't know there was a shooting. I remained in the cab most of the time, other than the few times I stepped out to look around and observe the crowd, et cetera. We were sitting in the cab of the truck, and Mr. Hall walked up and told us, he said, "It's all off. Its been called off." We didn't question him. He didn't elaborate in any way.

Mr. Hubert.

And you didn't find out that Oswald had been shot?

Mr. Dietrich.

Nor did I hear any shot fired.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't know he had been shot until after you got back to the terminal?

Mr. Dietrich.

Well, I didn't even know that anything had happened after we returned to the terminal, because if I remember correctly, Mr. Hall and Mr. Fleming, we never did see them upon returning to the terminal. And Don Coin and I parked the truck, got in our cars, and we had plans to meet at a coffee shop on Ross Avenue and have a cup of coffee before we departed for our