Mr. Dietrich.

respective homes. While we were in this cafe we heard the radio playing, or heard the announcer on the news, and one of the waitresses informed us that Jack Ruby had. killed Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know Jack Ruby?

Mr. Dietrich.

No; I didn't.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't notice any commotion around the jail prior to leaving?

Mr. Dietrich.

I heard a siren and perhaps it was the ambulance arriving to take Oswald from the city jail to Parkland Hospital, I think it was.

Mr. Hubert.

You left, however, before the big truck pulled out of the entrance?

Mr. Dietrich.

Yes; I heard some confusion, and I thought perhaps something had happened, I wasn't sure, but I didn't know really what had happened.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember seeing any police cars come up to the Commerce Street exit after the big truck had backed into that exit?

Mr. Dietrich.

No; I don't remember any.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember a police car coming along and it backing front of the big truck?

Mr. Dietrich.

No; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember seeing a police car come and park in front of your car at any time?

Mr. Dietrich.

I think I faintly remember one, maybe, moving in front of us. As to how long he stayed there; I don't know. If I remember correctly; he didn't remain in front of us very long.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't remember seeing any police car back up so that its rear was almost touching the front of the big truck parked in the exit?

Mr. Dietrich.

No; I don't, because there is no way that you can--we don't have a mirror in front--we can't see to our rear by looking in a mirror in the front like a conventional automobile. Our only means of vision would be our side mirrors, and I don't remember any police car backing back that was blocking the rear of the big truck.

Mr. Hubert.

Blocking the front?

Mr. Dietrich.

The front; I meant, because he backed in. May I smoke?

Mr. Hubert.

Surely; were you or Mr. Goin and Mr. Hall or Mr. Fleming wearing any kind of overcoat on that day?

Mr. Dietrich.

No; I don't think so. It was a rather cool day and windy. An overcoat would have felt good.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see any TV mobile unit vans parked on the same side of the street as you were, but closer to--

Mr. Dietrich.

They were right across the street; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see any parked on the same side of the street as you, but back of you toward Harwood?

Mr. Dietrich.

Well, I couldn't swear to it. Could have been. Might have been. I don't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you notice whether there were any people moving in and out of the Commerce Street exit where the large truck was parked during the time that you were there?

Mr. Dietrich.

I think I noticed a few policemen moving in and out; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see any people in civilian clothes moving in and other than Mr. Fleming?

Mr. Dietrich.

No; I didn't.

Mr. Hubert.

Were there police about the big truck?

Mr. Dietrich.

I didn't see too many policemen near the big truck; no, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see any policemen on either side of the truck?

Mr. Dietrich.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

As I understand from what you said, you had no opportunity look down the Commerce Street ramp at all, did you?

Mr. Dietrich.

Well, about the only thing I was able to observe was when left the truck a few minutes to walk a few feet to the rear of it.

Mr. Hubert.

But Since you were 5 feet beyond the Commerce Street you only walked at the most 10 feet from it? You never did get at an angle you could look down?

Mr. Dietrich.

No; I never did. I was rather reluctant to do that, because didn't want to be questioned by the police since I wasn't in uniform.