Mr. Rubenstein.

cover his expenses, and make a little profit on the side, and that was one of his other promotion deals.
What else did he do? During the football seasons when he was a kid, you know, these little footballs with the school colors. He would go out to the games, Wisconsin, Ohio, Champaign, Mich., he would leave on the Friday morning with some fellow who had a car and they would load up the car with these emblems and these different school things and he would sell them.
That is another one of the things he did when he was--after he got out of high school--I forgot to tell you that. That was a good deal for him.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you think of anything else? While he was in Dallas, did he call you with anything else beside the twistboard, any other promotions he had? How about entertainers?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes. He had more trouble this is a guy in charge of the union down there was giving Jack a headache.

Mr. Griffin.

I am not asking you for his problems now, did he promote any entertainers?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us about that.

Mr. Rubenstein.

He came up to Chicago on one time with a little colored boy by .the name of Sugar Daddy, was about 10 years old.

Mr. Griffin.

Would this have been Little Daddy Nelson?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know; I don't know the extra name but there was a little colored boy who was the greatest piano player and singer for a kid 10 years of age.
Jack took him to Chicago, tried to get him on the TV and tried to get him on radio, and we went to New York, Jack spent all this money, and the deal was all set, with even a tutor for the kid, a tutor, all set, the contract was going to be signed, and everything, and he had to give the mother and father 25 percent or something like that of the kid's earnings and Jack took 25 percent, I think for his work and expenses, and the kid would get the rest of the 50 percent and all the money for the tutoring would come out of the kid, expenses and so forth, all set and signed. This you will never believe. A second mother shows up. You know that would make a story in itself.

Mr. Griffin.

Tell us about it.

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know, that is it. That is all.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you learn about the second mother?

Mr. Rubenstein.

From Eva.

Mr. Griffin.

When did you learn about this?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Way after; Jack was advised by his lawyer in order to avoid a lot of legal difficulties, and all that stuff, drop it, and Jack dropped it like a hot potato. You can get yourself into a lot of trouble, two mothers. Talk about Jack with his promotions. That is the kind of a guy Jack was, you would love him, nice guy, likable guy. Do you a favor any time.

Mr. Griffin.

What other promotions can you think of?

Mr. Rubenstein.

It is really funny. Jack's promotions. I wish I could think of all of them. Ever since he was a kid. I can't think offhand now. But when I heard about that two-mother deal that was really funny.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you hear about the two-mother problem before or after the President was killed?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Oh, this is long before.

Mr. Griffin.

So this is something that was, you all knew about?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I am just trying to give you the background of Jack's life, what kind of a guy Jack was. He would never hurt anybody, I mean either physically or mentally. He loved life, he loved a story, he loved to laugh, he loved women, and--but don't hurt him, don't hurt him or you would never hear the end of it. He was very sensitive, very sensitive.

Mr. Griffin.

Give us some examples of that.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Well, I gave you one about the Roosevelt chair, and I am trying to think of something very important in his life. Yes; he popped Eva on the nose one time.

Mr. Griffin.

How did that happen?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know. Something about chop suey. I wasn't there.