Mr. Griffin.

Now, from the time your wife started to work for him until you last saw him at the Texas Product Show, about how much time would you say you spent with him?

Mr. Pullman.

Oh, practically almost every evening around the club.

Mr. Griffin.

For what period of time?

Mr. Pullman.

I think it was about 2 months--I just can't remember exactly--how long it was.

Mr. Griffin.

How long would that be each evening, would you be there the entire evening?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes, I would spend the whole evening down there and he trusted everyone. I tried to show him a lot of mistakes that were going on there but he didn't care. He just didn't care. Everyone had their finger in his till. Everybody went to the cash register, which was a very unusual thing, knowing what was going on in the other clubs--everything was-accounted for every night.

Mr. Griffin.

By that, do you mean people were taking out money for their own use or something that they used it for down there, or did anybody and everybody have access to the cash register?

Mr. Pullman.

They all had access, and he was always short every night--he was short, and that was another reason why my wife didn't want to stay, and I didn't think she should stay, because of all that going on. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he have his waitresses on a salary?

Mr. Pullman.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

How did he pay them?

Mr. Pullman.

They worked on tips--they worked on tips---that's how it was.

Mr. Griffin.

How much money could those girls make in a night?

Mr. Pullman.

I don't know---that varied--I never could tell what that was--that varied.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack ever tell-you about his plans to open a new nightclub.

Mr. Pullman.

Yes, he has had plans for other places---sure.

Mr. Griffin.

What specifically did he tell you about that?

Mr. Pullman.

Well, he. had one particular location that he kept talking about, and he wanted to open a real high class place and as a matter of fact he offered me the proposition to take it over, manage it and host it, and my wife didn't want any part of it, knowing the type of person he was, and I didn't want to be involved with anything like that.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you ever engaged in any other business with him besides the twistboard?

Mr. Pullman.

That was the only thing--that's all.

Mr. Griffin.

You were never involved in the sale of any vitamin pills or any other products with him?

Mr. Pullman.

No; the only reason I thought that the twistboard had merit was because it was a new idea and it fitted in with the new products show, and I discussed it with the promoters of the show before I even took it in and they thought it wouldn't hurt to put it in there at all.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you encourage Jack in the idea that that might be a profitable venture?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes; I did, because I thought possibilities, but he had to know how to go about doing it. He had no market set up for it, but I felt we may find out what appeal it really had, and which would be the best way to sell it.

Mr. Griffin.

What was his response to the appeal that was demonstrated at the Texas Products Show?

Mr. Pullman.

Well, he learned one thing--that you have to demonstrate it to sell it. If it was just lying on a counter, you couldn't sell them. You could probably sell it mail order, where they don't see it--you Just describe it like any other mail-order product, but to really sell it, you have to see it. Every time it was demonstrated, it was sold, and when he would come down, he put on a real pitch with it too and he could sell it. I didn't bother selling them---I was just showing them.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack get on it and demonstrate it himself?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes; he got on it and demonstrated it. Took his jacket off