Mr. Pullman.

and would stand there and he would be having a ball and eventually he would sell two or three of them to the crowd standing around seeing him standing on the board there, you know.

Mr. Griffin.

Would he have any music or anything to twist with?

Mr. Pullman.

No; he would just tall and twist and show it.

Mr. Griffin.

It was sort of like a sideshow barker?

Mr. Pullman.

That's right--well, he didn't bark--he just explained what was happening--all the muscles were working and how it tightened up their stomach muscles. I came out with one formal effort. I got one at home and I gave it away--a couple of friends wanted one and the grandkids got them. So, that one thing, I believe I can honestly say that down deep he was good natured--a good-natured guy, but he was always just trying to prove something; I don't know what, but he was trying to prove something all the time that he belonged.
This is another thing I recall--he would tell the MC what jokes to tell, what stories he should work on, and he would promote them, because he ran the lights and all from the board and prompted them in their stories. He would naturally talk loud enough so everybody would turn around and see who was tailing, you see, to get the attention to himself.

Mr. Griffin.

How did the MC react?

Mr. Pullman.

Oh, he was fine this was Wally Weston--he didn't mind. Have you ever talked to Wally?

Mr. Griffin.

No; I haven't.

Mr. Pullman.

He could give you an awful lot of testimony on Jack's background. He was with Jack for over 2 years and he helped make that club. Wally Weston was formerly with Abe Weinstein's Colony Club.

Mr. Griffin.

I hand you what I have marked for the purposes of identification as Edward J. Pullman's deposition, July 24, 1964, Exhibit No. 1. This document consists of two pages that are numbered at the bottom, consecutively numbers 208 and 209, and it purports to be a copy of an interview report that FBI Agent Jack K. Peden prepared after tailing with you on December 13, 1963. I would like you to read it. over and tell us if the report that you have there accurately reflects what you said to him on December 13.

Mr. Pullman.

It's practically as near as possible the same thing I said.

Mr. Griffin.

You don't have any corrections to make in that, do you?

Mr. Pullman.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

All right, if that is satisfactory, let me ask you to sign your name to it on the first page and then initial the second page up near the top.

Mr. Pullman.

You mean right around here?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Pullman.

That's where you wanted my initials?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; that's all right. Thank you very much for coming up. I have no more questions.

Mr. Pullman.

I Just hope that I was of some help to you anyway.

Mr. Griffin.

I think you have been, and we appreciate it very much, you taking out this time to come up.

Mr. Pullman.

I didn't mind doing that. My grandkids will have a nice letter there. That's something they will have---a memento from getting a letter from Washington

Mr. Griffin.

All right, thank you very much.

Mr. Pullman.

All right.

Herbert B. Kravitz
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Testimony of Herbert B. Kravitz

The testimony of Herbert B. Kravitz was taken at 7:45 p.m., on July 24th, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Burt W. Griffin, assistant counsel of the Prestdent's Commission.