Mr. Pullman.

They were giving away samples and they gave away shopping bags and this stuff was already stuffed into the bags.

Mr. Griffin.

So, when you would pick up the literature--

Mr. Pullman.

It was in there already. That's what Jack told me when he come by, he said, "Look what I found in this bag." He was looking to see what was in there, and I immediately recognized that Life Line material.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you happen to be familiar with Life Line?

Mr. Pullman.

Just by accidentally listening on the radio at home. They had it on the radio around 6 or 7 o'clock on Saturday and we were listening to--what is the name of that program--you don't know that local radio program that's on every Saturday night?

Mr. Griffin.

Is it on the same station that Life Line is on?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Is it a music program?

Mr. Pullman.

No, it's sort of a comment thing.
The REPORTER. Is it "comment"?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes, comment, I believe that is the name of it. It is an interview program that comes on right in there somewhere and it's news and goes on all the time, but this comes in there somewhere, and I never want to hear it, but when you do hear it, you sort of get interested in listening to find out what they are saying.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you get the impression that Jack had read this literature?

Mr. Pullman.

Oh, he must have read some of it to get so excited. He must have, and I said, "I'm sure that Kennedy knows all about this, and Washington knows all about this." He said, "Maybe they don't." He said, "I'm going to send it in." And I said, "Well, you do what you want." And that's the last I heard about it.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you think that it was unusual for Jack to be sensitive to that wording?

Mr. Pullman.

Well, I was a little bit surprised that he would take the initiative that he did, never thinking that he thought like that. I didn't think he had that much intellect.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack ever campaign for anybody, has he ever been interested in any sort of politics?

Mr. Pullman.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know anything about any literature that was found in his possession endorsing the conservative Democratic slate; did he ever tell you he was campaigning for anybody?

Mr. Pullman.

No, he never discussed politics. The only thing he talked with me about was when he was working for the union back in Chicago days and how he lost his finger in a fight.

Mr. Griffin.

How did he tell you he lost his finger?

Mr. Pullman.

That it was shot off.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever hear it was bitten off?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes, I did hear about that too.

Mr. Griffin.

What did Jack tell you--that it was shot off?

Mr. Pullman.

Shot off.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you hear about it being bitten off?

Mr. Pullman.

Then I heard later--later on somebody made the remark that it was actually bitten off in a fight and then I didn't know what to believe, and knowing the type and coming from the East, I am originally from New York and I have known lots of fellows like that--there are a lot of people who were involved with unions and who were always in that element.

Mr. Griffin.

Were there any other things that Jack ever mentioned to you that he was sensitive about?

Mr. Pullman.

Yes, he didn't like any vulgarity in his place. That was another surprise to me. Of course, he always bragged that he was a very rough fellow when he had the Silver Spur place on Ervay, I believe it was.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know him then?

Mr. Pullman.

No, but he would brag about the fact that he was so rough people would walk on the other side of the street because they were so afraid of him at the time.