Mr. Griffin.

Did he argue with her about it?

Mr. Pullman.

Well, she was just getting too raw--that was most of the argument, and as a matter of fact, he called the vice squad the first night she was there and he wanted them to see what she was doing--he wanted to know he was not doing wrong.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you present there then?

Mr. Pullman.

I was present that night and I stood right with the head man on the vice squad and watched the show, because Jack kind of leaned on me because I acted as more of a host for him at the door, and I knew I saw all of these cops in there most of the time and they were all very nice they were all served coffee---they were very nice.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know Harry Olsen, Officer Olsen?

Mr. Pullman.

I didn't know too many of them by name, but I knew they were law men.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know the fellow that Kathy Kay was dating, the officer she was dating?

Mr. Pullman.

Was that Kathy Kay or Kathy King?

Mr. Griffin.

Kathy Kay.

Mr. Pullman.

A blonde?

Mr. Griffin.

I don't really know.

Mr. Pullman.

An English girl?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes, she's English.

Mr. Pullman.

And she was going with an officer?

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know him?
Mr, PULLMAN. She was engaged to him; yes, I had seen him up there. He used to come up there every night to take her home.

Mr. Griffin.

What sort of relationship did Jack have with this officer?

Mr. Pullman.

Very nice very well--he never had any trouble with him. He got along very well then with the officers. They would come up there and he had coffee. He was proud of the fact that he was able to have them in there.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall where you were when you leaned that President Kennedy had been shot?

Mr. Pullman.

Where I was?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Pullman.

I was in bed. I had just gotten up and turned the TV on and I saw Jack shooting Oswald as the picture came on, that's all I saw.

Mr. Griffin.

No; I asked you--when President Kennedy was shot, where were you?

Mr. Pullman.

Well, we were watching at home---my wife and myself.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have occasion to go out of your house at that time at all?

Mr. Pullman.

I didn't go out for 3 days---I didn't budge out of the house for 3 days. I was very much shook up over it.

Mr. Griffin.

When was the last time you saw Jack Ruby before the President, was shot?

Mr. Pullman.

That was at the Texas Product Show, was the last time I saw him, the first week in November.

Mr. Griffin.

You say he had been over to your house?

Mr. Pullman.

He was over a few times--it was on the twistboard that he came over the first--well, that was just the last--when I saw him, but he would come over Just to talk to my wife and get some ideas and what to do about the club, but he would never do it, no matter what you told him. He wouldn't do anything, but he was looking for friends--he was looking for friends. He would come in on a Sunday with sweetrolls and spend an hour or two, with his dogs, and I never saw anybody so crazy about animals. I mean, his own dogs, but as a whole, I think that my own honest opinion of the man--the man has been insane. He was psyche. I'm not talking about at the time I'm talking before---I mean, he was not right, because when you talked to him, you think he is listening and you would look up and he would say, "I wasn't listening, what were you saying?" He was off somewhere he would hear what he wanted to hear, unless you asked him a question to get a direct answer.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, let's go back to the H. L. Hunt literature--was H. L. Hunt distributing food as well as literature?