Mr. Crafard.

I believe there was two or three different ones at the fair-grounds. This one was right close to the place I worked was located.

Mr. Griffin.

How far would it have been from a tent? Were you in a tent?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

How far would it have been from your tent?

Mr. Crafard.

About 150 or 200 feet.

Mr. Griffin.

In which direction?

Mr. Crafard.

It would have been down on the main midway. It would have been right on a corner of the main midway and the portion of the midway I was on. We were located on a branch off the main midway.

Mr. Griffin.

How old would you say this man was?

Mr. Crafard.

I would say he was probably in at least his middle forties, more likely in his late forties.

Mr. Griffin.

Was he bald or did he have hair?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't really remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Was he a graying man or what color was his hair?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember that either.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember if he wore glasses?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember what kind of a car he owned?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe he had a Chevy. I am not sure.

Mr. Griffin.

How would you describe his physical build, anything remarkable about it?

Mr. Crafard.

No; not that I could think of.

Mr. Griffin.

Was he a thin man?

Mr. Crafard.

He was about medium build for a man his age and height.

Mr. Griffin.

And you say he had a young boy with, him?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; he had a son about I believe 9 or 10 years old.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you catch the son's name?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

How about his name? Did you learn his first name?

Mr. Crafard.

I more than likely knew his name but I don't remember it.

Mr. Griffin.

What did he do at the photography studio?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't know for sure just what he did do.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this a Dallas studio that had a place there?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't believe so.

Mr. Griffin.

Is there some central office of the Dallas State Fair that would keep records of the people who had charge of tents or booths there?

Mr. Crafard.

That would be the fair commission would. know anyone that had any kind of a stand or concession on the midway.

Mr. Griffin.

And where would this commission have its office when the season was not in session?

Mr. Crafard.

It would be on the fairgrounds. I am not sure where though.

Mr. Griffin.

There is some sort of permanent office there on the fairgrounds?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; the Dallas Fairgrounds is one of the largest fairgrounds in Texas. It is open the year around.

Mr. Griffin.

It is your belief that this man knew you worked for Jack Ruby as he was taking you out of Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

Not until after we had got to talking and I told him I had been working at the Carousel Club.

Mr. Griffin.

How long would you estimate that you were with that man?

Mr. Crafard.

Oh, maybe a half hour or maybe 45 minutes at the most.

Mr. Griffin.

And it is your belief that he had a cottage at some sort of a lake?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What place?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember the name of the lake he lived on, that he had his cottage on.

Mr. Griffin.

But you remember somewhat where he left you off and in what direction he had to turn?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe he went to the left of 77 when he let me off.

Mr. Griffin.

You left Dallas on route 77?