Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And how far would you say you went on route 77?

Mr. Crafard.

We were about 20 miles outside the city limits of Dallas at Carrollton, Tex.

Mr. Griffin.

He let you off in Carrollton?

Mr. Crafard.

Just the other side of Carrollton a little ways.

Mr. Griffin.

North of Carrollton?

Mr. Crafard.

Just north. Not very far. It couldn't have been more than maybe a mile.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this some sort of main intersection he let you off

Mr. Crafard.

I believe so, yes; the main entry for the Carrollton traffic on the north side of town.

Mr. Griffin.

You were at route 77 and the corner of some other road

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it was just one of the so-called farm roads of Texas. They have got a lot of the roads numbered farm road such and such.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there a sign up there that pointed to a lake that this man had to turn to?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't recall, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you get any idea how large a lake it was? Was it a resort area?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't recall that either, sir. I don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

But you do recall that the man had a cottage or something of that sort on the lake?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; he was going up to work on his cottage when he picked me up.

Mr. Griffin.

We talked at lunchtime about a man who called the Carousel during the week before the President was assassinated.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And would you tell us about these calls?

Mr. Crafard.

Is that the one where I said he wouldn't give his name or anything?

Mr. Griffin.

That is the one I had in mind.

Mr. Crafard.

This gentleman would call maybe two or three times a day asking for Jack. He would ask where he could reach Jack. It sounded like it was pretty important that he reach Jack, and that he would never leave a number where Jack could call him back at.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever give this man a number?

Mr. Crafard.

Not that I can recall, no.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall what time of the day or night this man would call?

Mr. Crafard.

It would usually be during the day. I can't recall any specific time.

Mr. Griffin.

Did this man ever wake you up?

Mr. Crafard.

No; it was always well after 9 o'clock, I know that.

Mr. Griffin.

Did it ever appear to be around lunch hour?

Mr. Crafard.

It could have been anywhere from 9 o'clock to 6 o'clock.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he seem to call at regular times when he called?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you describe his voice in terms of age?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I couldn't.

Mr. Griffin.

Did this man call on Friday, November 22?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't really remember whether he did or not. I don't believe so.

Mr. Griffin.

How about on the morning of the 23d, Saturday the 23d?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he call the day before the President was assassinated?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe he called sometime in the afternoon of the 21st.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever talk to Andy Armstrong about this man?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe I said something to Jack about him and I believe Andy was there when I did.

Mr. Griffin.

And what did you say to Jack?

Mr. Crafard.

That this guy called several times wanting to get a hold of him, would never leave his name or address or number or anything.