Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever meet a boy named Jerry Bunker?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember it, no.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Bruce used to call the Carousel regularly?

Mr. Crafard.

No. There was only one or two occasions when I am sure that Bruce called the club.

Mr. Griffin.

When are the other occasions?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it was the evening of Wednesday the 20th Little Lynn hadn't went straight home from the club and he called asking, wanting to know where she was at.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any idea of the financial condition of Little Lynn or Bruce Carlin the week before the President died?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Little Lynn ever complain in your presence about not having enough money?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe that when she first went to work for Jack, Jack either gave her an advance or loaned her some money, one or the other.

Mr. Griffin.

I recall yesterday in your talking with Mr. Hubert there was some problem you felt that you had lost 8 hours in describing what happened on your trip from Dallas to your destination in Michigan.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

In the time that has passed since then, have you been able to find those 8 hours that were lost?

Mr. Crafard.

Pretty well, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What do you think happened?

Mr. Crafard.

I got mixed up on my routes in Oklahoma City and spent quite a bit of time getting back. There is where I lost the time.

Mr. Griffin.

About what time did you arrive in Oklahoma City?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it was about 7 o'clock in the evening of the 23d.

Mr. Griffin.

And how did you happen to get mixed up on your routes?

Mr. Crafard.

I got a ride with this gentleman and I believe he said something about getting me out on my route or something like that, and I got mixed up on my route.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ride with him in the wrong direction for a while?

Mr. Crafard.

He took me out, ha took me quite a ways more than where I had to. go.

Mr. Griffin.

On that basis what time would you say that you arrived in Chicago?

Mr. Crafard.

It probably would put me in Chicago sometime Monday, about 10:30 or 11 o'clock in the morning.

Mr. Griffin.

When you arrived in Chicago, then you knew that Ruby had killed Oswald?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And what time did you arrive in Lansing, Mich.?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it was about 6:30 or 7 o'clock Monday evening.

Mr. Griffin.

When you arrived in Chicago did you make any effort to call any of the Rubensteins?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did that occur to you?

Mr. Crafard.

No; that arrival in Lansing would have been about 3:30 or 4 o'clock. It would have been a couple hours earlier.

Mr. Griffin.

You mentioned that the ride that you had got out of Dallas on the 23d with a man whom you had met at the Dallas State Fair.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What did he do at the Dallas State Fair?

Mr. Crafard.

There was a photography place on the fairgrounds. He worked there.

Mr. Griffin.

Was he a full-time employee at the fairgrounds or was this a temporary thing?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe this was just temporary for the fair.

Mr. Griffin.

What was the name of the photography place?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember that, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Were there a number of different photographers at the fair?