Mr. Griffin.

Why was that? Was there something about Jack----

Mr. Crafard.

From what I knew of him he didn't strike me as the type of person that would do so. I later made up my mind that, I come to the opinion, if he had done it, if he had done it, he must have been insane when he had done it, before I saw anything on television about it.

Mr. Griffin.

I take it then that your initial reaction that Jack couldn't have done this also reflected what you had seen of him on Friday and Saturday, that he wasn't in such--didn't appear to you to be in such--a state of mind at that time as being one who wanted to go out and kill.

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Griffin.

And who wasn't so upset about the killing of the President that he would be motivated by grief or something like that to do such a thing.

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Griffin.

So you didn't see him crying or weeping or emotionally, terribly emotionally, upset about the President?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I didn't actually see him crying. His eyes were very red as if he had been crying the last time I saw him on Friday.

Mr. Griffin.

Or is that Saturday morning?

Mr. Crafard.

Friday. But then again it struck me so hard that when I finally realized that it really had happened, it struck me so hard, that I almost cried myself. I believe there was a lot of people throughout the country, men and women alike, that cried when they heard about it.

Mr. Griffin.

But still other than that reaction which you saw on Jack, there seemed to be nothing about Jack that made him appear any more grief stricken than any of the rest of you?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Jack the kind of a person who was given to concealing his emotions?

Mr. Crafard.

Not so far as I know; no.

Mr. Griffin.

How about concealing his hostility toward other people, did you ever have any indication that he concealed his hostility toward other people?

Mr. Crafard.

No. In fact, I would say it would be the other way.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he have any people that he regarded as enemies in Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

One person that he absolutely didn't have any liking for was this one MC from one of the other clubs that come up there once in a while.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack display his feelings toward that guy?

Mr. Crafard.

On several occasions, on two or three occasions, he told the guy he didn't care to have him around the club, and he Just as soon he didn't come to the club, and on one occasion he told the man to leave the club and not to come back again.

Mr. Griffin.

But after the man was out of his sight was Jack the kind of person that he continued to talk about him and complain to the employees or other people that he was with about somebody who was--about whom he was annoyed or upset with

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe he went on for a few minutes about it.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack ever talk to you about his feelings toward his sister Eva?

Mr. Crafard.

Not that I can remember; no.

Mr. Griffin.

So you weren't aware of any hard feelings between Eva and Jack?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

How about his feelings toward Abe Weinstein, the man who ran the Colony Club, did Jack discuss those feelings?

Mr. Crafard.

No. From what I can remember any time Jack talked to Mr. Weinstein they got along fairly good.

Mr. Griffin.

So am I correct in understanding the way you describe Jack when he had somebody that he didn't like or had some hostility toward, that he would only display this in the presence of that person in solving some problem with the individual face to face?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I believe so.

Mr. Crafard.

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