Mr. Hubert.

Let me get back to the afternoon of the 22d again. What time did Andrew Armstrong leave, do you remember?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember the exact time; no.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, about?

Mr. Crafard.

Maybe 3:30, 4 o'clock, maybe a little later.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he leave before Jack left?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it was after Jack left.

Mr. Hubert.

And you never saw him again really until you saw him in the courthouse in Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

Later that night you were with Jack; weren't you?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

As a matter of fact, everybody was reading, talking about Oswald.

Mr. Crafard.

I am not sure; sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Isn't it a fact that Ruby had a paper, was reading a newspaper?

Mr. Crafard.

He more than likely did, but I don't remember it, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you are aware that Oswald had shot the President or that it was believed that he had?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you were talking with Ruby about the whole thing, weren't you?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I imagine.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now, if at that time you knew from Armstrong that Oswald had been in the club, don't you think you would have mentioned to Jack, "Say, you know somebody says Oswald was in the club?"

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I believe I would have mentioned the fact that I had been told that Oswald had been in the club.

Mr. Hubert.

Does that help your memory as to when you got this remark?

Mr. Crafard.

No; it doesn't. The fact it even makes me more positive that it was after I left Dallas before I heard about it, because if I had said something like that to Jack I believe I would have remembered it.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, I'll tell you what I suggest you do, since the matter has only been really brought to your attention in the last hour or so, you know, I suggest that you give it some more thought and try to reconcile the different possibilities that exist as to when this information came to you in light of the questions we have asked you and the possibilities that have been expressed. Would you do that?

Mr. Crafard.

I have been doing so right along.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's go to something else, and we can come back to that.

Mr. Griffin.

I think it might be well to let it rest for a while. I am going to hand you, Larry, a Xerox copy of pages out of the notebook, and I have marked this "Washington, D.C., deposition C. L. Crafard Exhibit 5203, April 9, 1964," and I am going to sign my name to it. Now, I want you to take this Exhibit 5203 and look at those pages and leaf through it and tell me if you have ever seen that before.

Mr. Crafard.

There are nine pages in this one. I believe this is a notebook that Jack carried in his pocket.
(The document referred to was marked Crafard Exhibit No. 5203 for identification.)

Mr. Griffin.

What makes you believe that?

Mr. Crafard.

I recall seeing a notebook with these tear-out tabs on it that he carried. I am not sure whether this is the one or not.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, this Xerox copy which I have handed you is marked on the cover page "This is a Robinson Reminder."

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And then there are what you call tear sheets.

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Griffin.

What does the first one say?

Mr. Crafard.

"Jot it down . . ."

Mr. Griffin.

The second tear sheet, tear-out sheet?

Mr. Crafard.

"Do it . . ."