Mr. Ruby.

odd about Jack, but I thought he was just the type of a person that's hard to get along with and that was before years ago---but since I have been visiting him lately, his mental condition has deteriorated very rapidly. He keeps saying that people are being killed in the streets and he hears screams in the building of people being slaughtered.

Mr. Burleson.

Are these just people or are these Jewish people?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, he says, "People," and then he says "Jewish people" and he always imagines that Earl is killed and his children's bodies are being dismembered.

Mr. Hubert.

Does he say anything about Eva?

Mr. Ruby.

No; he tells me to leave and sell my home and get out of Dallas. He says that the police hate him here.

Mr. Hubert.

Does he tell you to do anything as far as self-destruction is concerned?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; he has done that quite a few times. He says he is going to take his life and I've tried to talk him out of it, and tell him everything will be all right.

Mr. Hubert.

He said he was going to take his own life?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; and I have never heard him talk like that before.

Mr. Burleson.

Does he appear to be normal to you?

Mr. Ruby.

No; he has that--I don't know how to describe his look, but he has sort of a look of a person that is being tortured or tormented by something and I don't know what you would call it, but it is sort of a--he has that look in his face of not seeing you, like he is looking--staring at you but not seeing you.

Mr. Hubert.

Does he recognize you?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; he does.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you last see him?

Mr. Ruby.

Last Sunday.

Mr. Hubert.

How many times since his conviction have you seen him prior to last Sunday?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I have seen him at least once a week.

Mr. Hubert.

And this condition that you have described that he has, did it exist right after the conviction or was it a progressive matter?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, it has been progressive and during the course of the bond hearing and the change of venue and the jurors and the trial itself--he didn't seem to communicate with me very much. He didn't have anything to say to me, so to speak, like he didn't have all of his faculties, you might say.

Mr. Burleson.

Now, let me ask you---do you know anything about the financial situation of the so-called defense fund-- the money that has come in for the defense of Jack Ruby, have you had anything to do with it yourself?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I had nothing to do with it, but I understand they sold a story. Do you want to know about that?

Mr. Burleson.

Well, we know about that. That's the newspaper story that this Woodfield fellow bought?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Burleson.

Have you personally received any money from any source from persons who have contributed it to you to use in the defense fund?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You have not received even any money in the mail; is that right?

Mr. Ruby.

Not one penny.

Mr. Burleson.

And no one has given you any to be utilized for the defense?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Burleson.

Have you contributed any of your own, other than the expense that you have been out personally during the trial and things of that nature, have you contributed any?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Burleson.

And have you heard from any members of the family who are maybe more aware of it than you are that many large sums have come other than this one for the sale of the news story?