Mr. Hubert.

And you recall at least one telephone conversation which you have just made reference to about visiting your sister in the hospital?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes--he was very upset about me not going. I promised him I would go and then I happened to be very busy working for this washateria owner and I thought it was more important I stay at my job and maybe go at night, but he became very upset about me not going and sort of became abusive.

Mr. Hubert.

That was all over the phone?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he contact you after the President was shot?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir--no, he didn't contact me.

Mr. Hubert.

Did your sister do so?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, between November 22d and the time Oswald was shot, you had no communication of any sort whatsoever with either Your sister, Eva Grant, or your brother, Jack Ruby; is that right?

Mr. Ruby.

That's right, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you aware of his reaction to the President's death during the period November 22 through November 24?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir; I had no idea. I was busy at the time I was working for this man, Mr. Dean, and I also was doing repair work at night and I was working pretty late at night and I would get home late and get up early in the morning and had to be at the job at 8 and so my days and nights were fully occupied at that time and previous to that, too.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you have stated in one of these statements that Mr. Paul said he was going to give you 50 percent of the stock of the S & R Corp.; did he say why he was going to do that?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, sir; that was after Judge Sterrett denied an application for a new license and he wanted to turn his 50 percent over to me so that I should have the obligations of the club, which I wasn't in favor of because I didn't have the financial backing to take it over. I have never received that 50 percent.

Mr. Hubert.

Why did he want to give it to you?

Mr. Ruby.

So that he wouldn't have to assume any financial responsibilities incurred by the corporation.

Mr. Hubert.

And you refused it?

Mr. Ruby.

I didn't refuse him at the time, but I didn't agree one way or the other, but I suggested my sister Eva take over the 50 percent of the corporation.

Mr. Hubert.

Were any shares of stock ever delivered to you?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir; not any shares.

Mr. Hubert.

Mr. Burleson, do you have any questions you would like to ask of Mr. Ruby?

Mr. Burleson.

Yes. First, Sam, have you, since this incident occurred back on November 24, 1963, had an occasion to have any threats on your life, your well-being, your future or that of your children, or your family?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, there was one man that called and said he was a friend of Jack's and he wanted to come over and he said that he was from up North--I believe he was from Minnesota and he had come down here to look for a job--he wanted to get a job and he was a friend of Jack's and it didn't sound sensible or logical and he had talked to my wife, and we didn't give him our address or any other information and he said he wanted to talk to Jack.

Mr. Burleson.

But you have had no direct threats?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

When was this occurrence?

Mr. Ruby.

The conversation--well, my wife would know more about that, I believe, since she talked to him--I believe it was in December.

Mr. Hubert.

You have never heard any more from this individual?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Burleson.

Now, you have been visiting Jack recently, have you not, in jail?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell us what you found Jack's condition to be since the verdict and at the present time?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, to be frank with you, I always thought there was something