Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I heard that one come in from one of Jack's friends in Chicago.

Mr. Burleson.

Is that the $250?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was the friend, do you know?

Mr. Ruby.

Kelman, I think his name is Joe Kelman.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know that man?

Mr. Ruby.

Not personally; I met his brother years ago. His brother was a personal friend of Jack's, Morris Kelman, and they are, I believe, in the auto windshield glass manufacturing business in Chicago.

Mr. Hubert.

Then, I believe there was another check of some sum from Walter Winchell?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know how much that was?

Mr. Ruby.

My sister Eva said it was for $100.

Mr. Burleson.

You were reported as saying to some news media that there was several thousand dollars?

Mr. Ruby.

I didn't say that. I said it was very generous--I didn't give any amount. I didn't even say whether it was a dollar or what amount it was.

Mr. Burleson.

Do you know of any other sums of money that may have come in, of any substantial sum?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I don't.

Mr. Burleson.

That's all I have. I need to go off the record for a moment. need to talk to Mr. Ruby on a matter that we had not completely discussed.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. Would you like to leave the room for your conference?

Mr. Burleson.

Yes; please.
(At this point counsel Burleson and the witness, Sam Ruby, left the conference room for approximately 10 minutes, returned thereto, and the proceedings of Mr. Ruby's deposition continued as follows.)

Mr. Burleson.

I would like to go back on the record and ask you, Mr. Ruby, is there anything you would like to bring out--anything that you would like to tell Mr. Hubert here on any version of the case, either something we have already talked about, to amplify, explain that, or either something new--some new area that you feel like that he would be interested in?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I don't know, except that I talked to some of the people from the Liquor Commission, the Texas State Liquor Commission, and they think that he may have felt sorry for the Tippit family as well as the Kennedy family, and he always took it personally when a police officer was killed. I mean, he made it his business to contribute something financially when an officer was killed.

Mr. Hubert.

Who told you that?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, they are up at the Liquor Commission in Oak Cliff--I don't think I know that just now.

Mr. Burleson.

That would be the Liquor Control Board--some of the personnel there?

Mr. Ruby.

I believe that's it.

Mr. Burleson.

Do you know their names?

Mr. Ruby.

I believe one was Johnny Cranks.

Mr. Hubert.

When was this told to you?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, they called me up there to inquire whether I was a member of the corporation.

Mr. Hubert.

And then they volunteered their opinion as to what his motivation was?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; that was what they thought and I talked to Jack a few times at the county jail and he says he felt very sorry for the Kennedy family.

Mr. Burleson.

Did Jack ever tell you why he shot Oswald?

Mr. Ruby.

No; he never mentioned his name to me. He never mentioned his name.

Mr. Burleson.

You were in the service?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Burleson.

I know one of Jack's brothers was in the intelligence?