Mr. Hubert.

You visited him at the Dallas County Jail, is that correct?

Mr. Ruby.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

And during the course of that conversation he told you that?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ask him about it or did he volunteer the information?

Mr. Ruby.

I asked him about it.

Mr. Hubert.

And you think that was during the trial but before the verdict?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

About what part of the trial--do you remember?

Mr. Ruby.

It was more or less during the beginning of it--most likely.

Mr. Hubert.

In February?

Mr. Ruby.

Probably was.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you anything else to say about Exhibit No. 4?

Mr. Ruby.

Everything is all right on it.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I understand that your name and Jack's--the family name was Rubenstein.

Mr. Ruby.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

And that you changed your name to Ruby?

Mr. Ruby.

Correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Where was that change made?

Mr. Ruby.

In Chicago, Ill.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was by a regular court proceeding in the courts of Illinois?

Mr. Ruby.

Right, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And did you know that Jack had also changed his name?

Mr. Ruby.

I didn't know definitely whether he changed it legally.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know that your brother Earl had changed his name?

Mr. Ruby.

We changed ours at the same time. We were in business together.

Mr. Hubert.

What I wanted to ask you is whether or not the change of name of you and Earl and Jack was by a common understanding, that you all would change your name?

Mr. Ruby.

No; just Earl and I had a common understanding. We were in business together at the same time and we used the same attorney.

Mr. Hubert.

What business was that that you were in?

Mr. Ruby.

We were in the advertising specialty manufacturing business.

Mr. Hubert.

What was .the name of it?

Mr. Ruby.

Earl Products Co.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it a corporation?

Mr. Ruby.

No; just a company.

Mr. Hubert.

A trade name?

Mr. Ruby.

A trade name.

Mr. Hubert.

Was Jack in that company?

Mr. Ruby.

He was. He was in the company for about 2 years, I believe.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was during what years?

Mr. Ruby.

1946 and 1947.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, how did he come to leave it?

Mr. Ruby.

We had a little difference as to the policies of the company and Earl and I more or less agreed on the way it should be run and Jack had other ideas, and, of course, when we couldn't agree, we bought him out.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you pay him?

Mr. Ruby.

I believe it was about $14,000.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, was that paid in cash?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; it was cash.

Mr. Hubert.

After you bought him out and you paid him in cash, did he come to Dallas?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you say he came almost immediately?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; in fact I think he may have made some trips here before we sold out, before he sold out to us I'm not sure about that, but it seems like he had come down here to visit my sister Eva--Eva L. Grant.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know of your own-knowledge whether or not when he