Mr. Hubert.

What you want to say now is that you have found out something since?

Mr. Ruby.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Will you tell us what it is?

Mr. Ruby.

I found out that a certain amount of shares were issued to me in the S & R Corp. and that I was a vice president in the corporation.

Mr. Hubert.

And you did not know that at the time you made this statement?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Whom did you find out those facts from?

Mr. Ruby.

From Ralph Paul.

Mr. Hubert.

And that is the only source of your information, is that correct?

Mr. Ruby.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you ever seen the shares?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I never have seen them.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you ever seen any of the books or papers of the corporation that would indicate it?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

But your sole source of information as to your present statement is the information obtained from Ralph Paul?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you made any other inquiry about the matter?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, we tried looking through the Carousel Club flies up there--they had these metal files. We went through those and we couldn't find any papers, any corporation papers and no one of the attorneys seemed to have them at the time and Stanley Kaufman, who was a personal friend of his, and he is an attorney here in town, he didn't have them and he didn't know where they were, and we couldn't locate them.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you invest any money for the purchase of the shares of stock which apparently might have been issued to you?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I didn't invest any. Jack may have transferred some of the money that he owed me as a financial transaction.

Mr. Hubert.

What you mean is that he owed you some money and he may have issued the stock to you?

Mr. Ruby.

To cover that.

Mr. Hubert.

As a way of paying the loan?

Mr. Ruby.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

But in any case he didn't tell you he was doing so?

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you any further comments as to Exhibit No. 3?

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I show you a document which purports to be a report of an interview of you by Alfred Sayres, FBI agent, on December 5, 1963, and for the purpose of identification I have marked that document, "Dallas, Tex., May 29, 1964, Exhibit No. 4 of the deposition of Sam Ruby," and I have signed my name below that, and it consists of one page, and I ask you the same question with respect to that document?

Mr. Ruby.

Well this first paragraph--I found out that he had--that he did make a trip to Cuba.

Mr. Burleson.

Let me ask you--you are referring to the first paragraph which starts off: "Samuel David Ruby, 11616 Jamestown Road, Dallas, Tex., advised telephonically that he knows of no trip to Cuba made by Jack Ruby at any time. It was explained to Mr. Ruby that if such a trip were made it had been alleged Jack Ruby made the trip with a gambler from Fort Worth, Texas. He suggested that such a person may have been a man by the name of McWillie whom he has heard mentioned as a gambler and a friend of Jack Ruby." What do you now know in reference to that, that you have found out since that time?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, from Jack himself---this was in the Dallas County Courthouse in jail that Mr. McWillie sent him the airplane tickets for him to go to Cuba and to be his guest while he was there.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you get that information from Jack Ruby?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't know--sometime ago--I believe it was during the trial--during the course of the trial.