Mr. Ruby.

never seen any of the corporation papers, so I am just taking his word for it, and I still don't know, but they say it and also in the Vegas Club, I hold a chattel mortgage on that, which has not fully been paid off. I don't know whether you would consider that a financial interest in that or not. Jack never paid me off the full amount.

Mr. Hubert.

Does that have to do with reference to a loan that had been made by you to him?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And at an earlier date upon which you got a judgment in your favor?

Mr. Ruby.

That's right, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, we will touch upon that a little later, and I think that will be clarified. It is a fact, I take it, until you were advised by Mr. Paul that your name appeared on the corporate papers, you didn't know anything about it until then?

Mr. Ruby.

No; this last, this third paragraph, I think I found out from my brother Earl.

Mr. Burleson.

All right, let me make reference to a particular sentence in there. In the third paragraph of the statement, "He further advised that sometime during the fall or early winter of 1960, his sister, Marion Caroll, visited in Dallas and while here loaned Jack Ruby a fairly large sum of money. He said she later regretted making this loan and his brother Earl came to Dallas sometime in the spring of 1961 for the purpose of recovering the amount of this loan for Marion. He said he does not know if Earl was successful in this attempt or if Earl paid Marion the amount of the loan and thereby became a creditor of Jack Ruby."
What have you found out since making that statement that might make some difference?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, part of that I believe is true Earl did come down here to try to get some of that money back, but I also found out that he let Jack have some money of his own because Jack was having some financial difficulties with the Carousel Club. It was changed then and I think it was the Sovereign Club or the Carousel.

Mr. Hubert.

Who did you find that out from?

Mr. Ruby.

From Earl.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say how much?

Mr. Ruby.

No; he didn't say--he may have said, but I don't recall, but I know he says he let him have some money.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, are there any other changes or corrections to Exhibit No. 3?

Mr. Ruby.

No; if he has an interest--I don't know whether he has an interest if it's in writing--he may have.

Mr. Burleson.

Let me ask you--are you referring to the fourth paragraph that says, "He says he does not know whether or not Earl Ruby has a financial interest in the Carousel Club or the Club Vegas at Dallas, but if he does have, this interest may have arisen out of the above-mentioned loan."

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; that's right--that is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

That is correct?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; that is correct, but I don't know about it.

Mr. Burleson.

That's what you have heard?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that all as to Exhibit No. 3, then?

Mr. Ruby.

That's right--well, now----

Mr. Burleson.

Let me ask you this--you are now referring to the last paragraph. "He concluded by stating that he has no knowledge of the financial or corporate structures of the S & R Corporation or of the Carousel Club or Club Vegas in Dallas, Tex." Do you want to change that in the light of what you have heard since that?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's put it this way---when that statement was given, that was true, you did not have that knowledge?

Mr. Ruby.

That's right.