Mrs. Grant.

This was the deal with McWillie at the time and we were on friendly terms, as much as I remember about it, and I think he shoved it off.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it the jeep proposition that had something to do with Jack's visit to McWillie in Havana in 1959?

Mrs. Grant.

Jack was very depressed, he was having a lot of trouble, that McWillie sent him as much as I know, a ticket to come to Havana to have a week or 10 days vacation. That's as much as I know of the whole darn thing and deal outside of the talking about jeeps at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

Did that visit have anything to do with the jeeps in addition to the rest and vacation that you know of? Now, don't guess about it.

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; but I heard "Jeeps" but I didn't pay too much attention to it.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, then, the real fact is you don't know much about it?

Mrs. Grant.

I really don't.

Mr. Hubert.

You heard something about jeeps about that time, but you are not in a position really to say that you know yea or nay- -yes or no--whether Jack's visit to Havana with McWillie had to do with jeeps or not; isn't that right?

Mrs. Grant.

Do you know that I didn't know at the time he was in Havana. I knew this a few years later.

Mr. Hubert.

What I mean is--the real fact is you don't have any knowledge of it---of the real facts?

Mrs. Grant.

I have no specific knowledge of it, but I do know that my sister told me he was down in Havana. He called Chicago from there and he said he's in Havana and I think he spoke to Marion Carroll--that sister.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know a man by the name of Lawrence Meyers?

Mrs. Grant.

I knew a Meyers but I can't think of his first name.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him or meet him during the first 3 weeks of November 1963?

Mrs. Grant.

Not that I know--I can't think of it--no; this fellow I knew years ago, but I can't think of his first name gee, that isn't his first name. He used to live here in town on Lemmon Avenue.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know a man by the name of Alex Gruber?

Mrs. Grant.

You mean A1 Gruber on the West Coast?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How long have you known him?

Mrs. Grant.

I heard his name around the house 30 years--Jack knew him when they were young.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know that Jack had called him on the night of the President's death?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; I do.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell us how you knew it?

Mrs. Grant.

Either late that evening or the next day he talked to A1 and there was something in the conversation---Al was here early in the fall and in fact coming through---I was in the hospital and he promised A1 a dog and it seems to me I called him I must have called him later on; anyway, when I did call him a week or so later or whenever I did, I don't know, but it was after this incident, A1 said, "You know, Jack was crying when he called me on the day of the assassination?

Mr. Hubert.

Did Jack himself tell you he had called?

Mrs. Grant.

No; A1 told me. I had called A1 myself. I had called A1 within 10 days of the President's assassination, something regarding to the dog.

Mr. Hubert.

Yes, ma'am; I understand that--you mean before the President's assassination?

Mrs. Grant.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

After?

Mrs. Grant.

But Jack has talked to him before too--some weeks.

Mr. Hubert.

But did Jack tell you that or did Gruber tell you that?

Mrs. Grant.

No; A1 told me this.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not know that Jack had called Gruber on the night of the President's assassination until Gruber himself told you?

Mrs. Grant.

No; it seems to me that Jack even may have mentioned it, but still