Mrs. Grant.

I made a call myself to Al in regards to the dog. certain dog. Jack said he promised him a certain dog.

Mr. Hubert.

And you say Gruber had been through Dallas?

Mrs. Grant.

While I was in the hospital in November--in Dallas.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him then?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; I did. He visited me at the Gaston Hospital.

Mr. Hubert.

You were hospitalized for how long?

Mrs. Grant.

For about a week.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the nature of your illness; do you recall?

Mrs. Grant.

Tumor and hysterectomy.

Mr. Hubert.

And you were in there about a week?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What was your relationship with Jack from the standpoint of, say, personal relationship as brother and sister and, of course, as comanager--were you on a friendly basis?

Mrs. Grant.

Most of the time.

Mr. Hubert.

Any difficulties between you sometimes?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; lots of times. We got along a lot of times like a disagreeable man and wife. If my band leader complained it was no good. If I complained it was no good.

Mr. Hubert.

What was Jack's attitude generally toward politics; do you know?

Mrs. Grant.

He didn't have any.

Mr. Hubert.

To your knowledge did he belong to any kind of organizations whatsoever?

Mrs. Grant.

Not one that I could put my-outside of the YW--YMCA or something to that effect or the union connected with the musicians' union or AGVA, and maybe three or four private clubs around entertainment clubs.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have any sort of attitudes toward conservatism or liberalism or any kind of "ism"?

Mrs. Grant.

All I know--he's a good American and he is far better than a lot of people are.

Mr. Hubert.

But, did you ever notice any interest that he had in pro-Cuban affairs or anti-Cuban affairs or pro-Castro or anti-Castro or anything of that sort?

Mrs. Grant.

This is the exact words when they spit on Stevenson last fall--Jack and I were going to dinner or coming to dinner and someway or somehow we were sitting in the car--his car--and he looked at me and he says, "Isn't that awful?" He says, "They ought to knock their heads together." Now, we were told two young fellows out of college or in college did that and he says, "To think--a man devotes his time" and he went on for a couple of minutes, and that was it, and I remember the incident of--I'll tell you-- he respects high people and he admires highly educated, cultured people good family men.

Mr. Hubert.

Well the answer to my question, I gather, from what you have said, then, is that Jack did not have any ideas that were pro-Cuba or anti-Cuba or pro-Castro or anti-Castro?

Mrs. Grant.

He was against communism from the beginning of when it even entered his mind. I don't know what year--maybe 35 years ago.

Mr. Hubert.

How did he express himself on that?

Mrs. Grant.

He didn't have to---from the things he done was too American-too much American.

Mr. Hubert.

But my point is--I gather from that that he never discussed with you his feelings about communism or .anything--it's just that you observed that?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, I'm not an intellectual on those subjects, to be honest about it.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he the type of man that would be interested in these subjects himself?

Mrs. Grant.

No; not to express it openly or fight with it--in this manner, if you said anything against anybody or anything big of our country that is Americanism--you might as well he would knock the hell out of you.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, what you are saying to me is that if he has any kind of "ism" at all, it would be Americanism?