Mrs. Grant.

not there, and until he got his number--he called 15 different people from what I understand.

Mr. Hubert.

What I was getting at is this--your explanation that if he called Goldstein and Barrish and McWillie and so forth, your explanation that those calls were made in connection with this difficulty about the amateur night thing--was that information obtained by you from Ruby, or are you just giving us your opinion of what those calls were about?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, he has discussed this with me many times and I didn't go to the downtown club too often, but when I did go there, it so happened either September or October on a particular Sunday night, whichever Sunday night it was--there are five Sundays and whichever Sunday it would be, and the Vegas Club would be closed on Sunday, he told me he had just gotten through talking to somebody and I'll be honest about it, it just went in one ear and out the other, because I figured that----

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you see what I am trying to get at and that is whether or not your statements that those calls were made in connection with this AGVA business derives from him directly or whether it is merely your opinion that those calls were about that?

Mrs. Grant.

It is not only my opinion, we talked about it. We had discussed it and he had told me.

Mr. Hubert.

So that that does come--that information, then does come directly from Jack?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, and one other thing, when I called home, I spoke to my older brother and he knows Jack Yanover. My brother Jack did not know Jack Yanover like my older brother.

Mr. Hubert.

That's who?

Mrs. Grant.

Hyman; he's a friend of his and my older brother in this conversation said to me, "I told him to call Jack Yanover. Maybe he knows somebody because Yahover has some kind of saloon in Chicago," that's in my estimation because of the way it looks, and this all went on and Jack used to rehash it with me until it--well, I know that's what that call was for.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was all during the period then of September and October?

Mrs. Grant.

In the summer--last summer and he also told me, you know, he told me during one of those months he said, "I tried to call Lenny Patrick," and he said, "I got his number," he got it from somebody and I don't know who, what and I didn't give a darn.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Jack tell you all of this prior to November 24?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, sure. To tell you the truth, the way I see Jack through this little glass, he has very little to say.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a man by the name of Robert McKeown [spelling] M-c-K-e-o-w-n, or have you ever heard of him?

Mrs. Grant.

Is it a Dallas man?

Mr. Hubert.

I believe not.

Mrs. Grant.

Would it be my friend or Jack's friend?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, it would probably be Jack's friend. Did Jack ever tell you of contacting him by telephone and going to see him in the Galveston area concerning the selling of jeeps to Castro?

Mrs. Grant.

Now, I know Jack was in Cuba 6 or 7 years ago or one of those years.

Mr. Hubert.

Oh, yes; you told us about that--that was when he went to join McWillie for a little while?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; and I also know that I did hear the story about jeeps.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you hear that?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, let me say this--I don't know whether I heard it last year or the year before, but I do remember something in a conversation--some guy told him he knew where there were 400 or 800 jeeps or 80 jeeps and whether Jack went down--Jack went to Houston first of all--he did go to Houston last year to see a man from a night club. They were going to exchange acts or work in a deal, but I don't remember who the man was, and this all came about, but Jack, I'll tell you, he isn't that kind of a promoter.

Mr. Hubert.

What did Jack tell you about the jeeps?