Mr. Crafard.

If I recall the words, I said, I told you that I believe that before I left Dallas I had heard someone state that Oswald had been in the Carousel Club on at least one previous occasion, that I wasn't positive who had made the statement, that I believed that it was made before I left Dallas.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you indicate to me you had some idea?

Mr. Crafard.

I thought it had been Andrew.

Mr. Griffin.

By that, you mean Andy Armstrong?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You say before you left Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What do you mean, before you left Dallas the last time?

Mr. Crafard.

Before I left Dallas after the assassination.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean before you left Dallas on November 23?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes. It seems to me that something had been said about Oswald being in the club, and I figured that probably it had been Andrew who said this because I had talked to him--been with him--more than I had been with anybody else on that day.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you seen Andrew since?

Mr. Crafard.

Only at the Ruby trial in Dallas.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you mention it to him, then?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I hadn't even thought about it.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he talk to you about it then?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now, this statement must have been made to you between 12:30 on the 22d and about really 5 or 6 o'clock in the afternoon of the 23d.

Mr. Crafard.

That is right, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't see Andy after that, did you?

Mr. Crafard.

I only saw Andy--I never saw Andy after the 22d, when President Kennedy was assassinated.

Mr. Hubert.

That is right. Andy woke you up, you all looked at TV, and then Jack came in and they all went off and you went to bed.

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

Of course, you got up the next morning and talked to Ruby.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

It wasn't Ruby who said that, was it?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't believe so.

Mr. Hubert.

It wasn't George Senator who said it?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see anybody else?

Mr. Crafard.

No,

Mr. Hubert.

Did you talk to anybody else other than that girl on the phone?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

She didn't mention it to you?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Who else could it be but Andy Armstrong?

Mr. Crafard.

I said I believe I heard this statement had been made before I left Dallas, I am not positive that it was made before I left Dallas, I might have heard the statement afterwards, after I left Dallas or after I went back, but I believe I heard the statement before I left Dallas on the 23d.

Mr. Hubert.

If you did hear it before you left Dallas, it had to be Armstrong; isn't that right?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

There is no question about that?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Because you didn't speak to anybody else that you could have gotten it from?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you think it is possible that you read it in the paper?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I don't believe so. I didn't read the papers on it too much. I had a couple of the papers----

Mr. Hubert.

Do you think you got it over the radio or TV or any other news media?