Mr. Hubert.

Do you know when that was that he showed that building to you?

Mrs. Grant.

It seemed to me that it was in the summer and once early in the fall, or it could have been in October.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say what he was going to do with the Vegas and the Carousel?

Mrs. Grant.

He didn't say anything about the Vegas or the Carousel, but I'll tell you, the Carousel in my estimation wasn't making any money and it made him sick, and one of the reasons was he said that all the other clubs that sell liquor over the bar--you see, this State has very peculiar liquor laws and he said with a downtown club he could get a lot of members to go into this private club, but he did look at this building a few times because he talked about it and he is the biggest planner you've ever seen about something that don't develop in his mind.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, does the name Gene Schriver [spelling] S-c-h-r-i-v-e-r, mean anything to you?

Mrs. Grant.

Is that a girl or a fellow; do you know?

Mr. Hubert.

I don't know.

Mrs. Grant.

Well, we knew a Jean that worked for him as a waitress.

Mr. Hubert.

Is the last name Schriver?

Mrs. Grant.

Not that I know of. I knew a lot of girls that worked for them but I didn't know their last names.

Mr. Hubert.

What kind of work did she do?

Mrs. Grant.

She was a waitress up there--a couple of years ago.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did she stay?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, she was there two or three times. She got mad at Jack and went ever and worked for the Colony Club, if it's the same little girl.

Mr. Hubert.

Was she working with Jack at the time of the death of the President?

Mrs. Grant.

Gee, I don't know; I don't remember who was working there. I know one cute little girl and I couldn't think of her name unless it came up.

Mr. Hubert.

What about Frank Goldstein?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, he used to work with him selling subscriptions in San Francisco and when Jack was having trouble with the union---he hasn't spoken to that fellow in 26 years and I believe it, because I've been on the west coast off and on, and Frank often asks, "Why don't you write to me or call?" Last fall, in fact, in November--as late as November, I think Jack made the first call to Frank Goldstein because things were getting very bad.

Mr. Hubert.

In your opinion, that phone call made to Goldstein was the first connection between Jack and Goldstein----

Mrs. Grant.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Wait a minute, let me finish my question--in some considerable number of years?

Mrs. Grant.

I know that for a fact because I used to go to the west coast and see Frank every 5 years---5 or 7 years and we talked about him and I don't remember Jack or him ever saying they talked or wrote and Frank, I don't think, could write.

Mr. Hubert.

But as far as you know, he had no connection with him; is that right?

Mrs. Grant.

No; but I do know he is a gambler and it is very well emphasized in San Francisco that he is a gambler.

Mr. Hubert.

What about Benny Barfish?

Mrs. Grant.

Benny--I heard he is a liquor salesman. I knew him when we were on the west coast. He's a Chicagoan. He came out there in 1935 and as far as I know he's a liquor salesman.

Mr. Hubert.

When was the last connection you had with him?

Mrs. Grant.

I saw him about 8 or 9 or 10 years ago when I went to San Francisco.

Mr. Hubert.

You haven't seen him or corresponded with him in any way by telephone?

Mrs. Grant.

No, no.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know if Jack ever knew him?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, sure. We knew him from Chicago as kids, but I'm sure Jack