Mrs. Grant.

his money in there--if he had a thousand dollars of his money, it was a lot of money.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that a corporation, to your knowledge?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Who are the owners of the stock?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, from what I knew--Ralph Paul put in some money and that was another thing. He is quite a well-to-do man and I think he wanted Jack to be a success, whether he loaned or gave him money--I don't know, but I know he was connected with the club, and Leo Torti, I think Jack owed him a little. Jack promised or owed him some money, made him part of the corporation and the first that started out it was with Earl being in it, but the State doesn't allow an outsider to be in a corporation of that type when you carry a liquor license and I think they rehashed it later on and it went over a few times--it started out with the people I didn't know, but ones I got to know later on was Joe Slayton and another fellow who I still don't know who he is. There was three partners-- Jack represented Earl, Earl gave him the money. Jack encouraged Earl to give him the money to go into this thing and to this day, and this is truthfully, I think he owes Earl $8,500 on that deal alone, and I'm making it low. I don't know all the money Earl had given him from time to time.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know of the existence of a corporation called Sovereign, Incorporated?

Mrs. Grant.

No; it's called S & R Corp. or R & S. Yes; I know it now and I knew it when I came to town. He told me about it.

Mr. Hubert.

But did you ever hear of a corporation called Sovereign Club, Incorporated, or Inc.?

Mrs. Grant.

It could be the same club if it is.. Now, since then Ralph was so disgusted when Jack got in all this trouble, he gave me the stock his stock.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he own that stock that you've got---do you know?

Mrs. Grant.

I guess so.

Mr. Hubert.

lie gave you the certificates, you mean?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; there's no name on them--I have it at home I think it says 500 shares.

Mr. Hubert.

The name was just in blank?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

So, he didn't have to endorse it over to you?

Mrs. Grant.

I told him we were going to sell it and he said, "You endorse it over to the other person."

Mr. Hubert.

But he did not endorse it over, he just gave you the certificates?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, he had a letter with the attorney--they went up to an attorney called Graham Koch [spelling] K-o-c-h. Anyway, he would know more about it than I do.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know whether Ralph Paul was holding that stock as owner or as security for money owed?

Mrs. Grant.

Who knows?

Mr. Hubert.

But do you know that?

Mrs. Grant.

I know Ralph must have given Jack a lot of money that he never got back; believe me, let me tell you.

Mr. Hubert.

Had Jack talked to you at all about any nightclubs that he proposed to open?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

When did he first talk to you about that?

Mrs. Grant.

Listen, now, he didn't say he was going to open it, he says, "This would be a good private club," and I think he took me then on a street here to Maple or Cedar Springs, and I guess he was going to ask Ralph Paul for money, to be honest, they were very close.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you to be a part of it?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, he didn't tell me.

Mr. Hubert.

How far had those plans gone, do you know?

Mrs. Grant.

I looked at the outside of the building with him late at night--3 o'clock in the morning. Now, wait a minute, he had seen it--he had been in it--whatever this building is, and to this day I'd like to find it because someone else told me that.