Mr. Hubert.

All the employees were paid by cash?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes, but they signed receipts for it.

Mr. Hubert.

I understand. Who was Pauline Hall in that operation, what did she have to do?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, sometimes she helped on the floor as a hostess and, of course, while I was ill, she took over the management for 2 weeks in 1963 in November. She has been a waitress in our club on and off. She has known us about 8 years. She has been a bartender when we needed one she is a very nice person.

Mr. Hubert.

I understand you had some trouble with your band at the Vegas in the fall---did they quit or something of that sort?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, we had the same band leader--yes--almost 8 years.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was he?

Mrs. Grant.

Joe Johnson.

Mr. Hubert.

And what happened?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, he was unhappy because someone offered him more money. We weren't getting along, he and I, and there was always a dissension. First of all, he wouldn't stay on the bandstand--I had to humor him.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, did he quit or did you fire him?

Mrs. Grant.

No, we didn't fire him. He made arrangements with another night club.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was when?

Mrs. Grant.

He made arrangements unbeknownst to us, but he gave us notice and he left, I think, the first week of November, 1963.

Mr. Hubert.

What about Raymond Jones, do you know him?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

He worked at the Vegas, didn't he?

Mrs. Grant.

He worked on and off--he was a porter.

Mr. Hubert.

He was a handyman?

Mrs. Grant.

I beg your pardon?

Mr. Hubert.

He was a handyman or a porter?

Mrs. Grant.

He was a porter.

Mr. Hubert.

He quit the Vegas, didn't he?

Mrs. Grant.

No; he has always had another job and he worked for me and he came back--he wasn't a very good porter. Truthfully, where he worked the last job for 19 years, he didn't do actually any porter work--he was like the foreman over porters.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, did he stop working for the Vegas at any particular date so that you didn't see him thereafter?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, he came back a couple of times--Jack knew him from the Dallas Athletic Club. That's how I got him in the first place.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, did he quit working for you back last fall sometime?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, call it quits--he quit a few times, I called him and he came; he is not the most intellectual man; he can't read or write; he can't sign his own name.

Mr. Hubert.

But, in any case, he stopped working for you?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, I fired him a couple of times and he came back. I don't know how you would--it isn't any quitting--he never showed up. In fact, he worked for me right around New Year's again.

Mr. Hubert.

You had nothing to do, as I understand, with the operation of the Sovereign Club or the Carousel, but perhaps you can tell us something about how those two clubs came into existence and what you know about them?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, first, I wasn't in town to begin with, and when I did arrive here, that club was in existence.

Mr. Hubert.

Which one was that?

Mrs. Grant.

That was the Sovereign Club.

Mr. Hubert.

That's on Commerce Street, isn't it?

Mrs. Grant.

1312 1/2 Commerce.

Mr. Hubert.

It's an upstairs location?

Mrs. Grant.

And I understand Jack has taken money from Earl and probably from my sister Mary and God knows who else in the family--there was none of