Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a man by the name of Sam Jaffe [spelling] J- a -f-f-e?

Mrs. Grant.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a man by the name of Sam Chavin [spelling] C-h-a-v-i-n?

Mrs. Grant.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Perhaps you knew his wife, Charlotte Chavin, who is the daughter of Sam Jaffe, did you ever see her?

Mrs. Grant.

Where are they from; do you have an idea?

Mr. Hubert.

They were from Chicago, ma'am, and they subsequently moved to Muncie, Ind.

Mrs. Grant.

I never heard of them I never heard of them.

Mr. Hubert.

You never heard of them?

Mrs. Grant.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever know of any connection that Jack might have had with .those people?

Mrs. Grant.

It wasn't a close connection.' We knew some Jaffes--I mean, as kids--they were in the undertaking business, but I haven't heard of them in years.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know a daughter of Sam Jaffe whose name was Charlotte and she married Sam Chavin?

Mrs. Grant.

No, sir; I can't recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Then there was another daughter who married Erwin Berke.

Mrs. Grant.

What was her first name? Can I ask you a question---how far back does the names go ?

Mr. Hubert.

This would have been around the period of the war--1942 to 1946.

Mrs. Grant.

I wasn't ,around Chicago that much in those years--you see I was here and on the west coast.

Mr. Hubert.

In any case, these names don't ring a bell?

Mrs. Grant.

No, sir; I can't place them at all unless they are mispronounced or misspelled, but Jaffes--I did know.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know any Jaffes who moved from Chicago to Muncie, Ind.?

Mrs. Grant.

No; no.

Mr. Hubert.

The Jaffes you did know were in an earlier period; is that right?

Mrs. Grant.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

And as far as you know, they didn't move to Muncie, Ind.?

Mrs. Grant.

In the last 25 years--I can't place the name close to Jack or me.

Mr. Hubert.

What about Paul Labriola [spelling] L-a-b-r-i-o-l-a?

Mrs. Grant.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

What about Hershey Colvin?

Mrs. Grant.

I never heard those names.

Mr. Hubert.

Jimmy Weinberg?

Mrs. Grant.

We are my mother had a niece that was married to a Weinberg, but there is not one name like that in the family--no Jimmies.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you did, of course, move ultimately to Dallas, which has been your home, I take it, for some period?

Mrs. Grant.

On and off for over 20 years--22 years.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you first come to Dallas?

Mrs. Grant.

I think it was in 1942 or 1943, I was here for a little while.

Mr. Hubert.

For how long?

Mrs. Grant.

For a few months at least it seems.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the purpose of coming here to Dallas; do you remember?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, I came to look---A1 Kamin owned the Marlerie Sales and he had costume jewelry and he wanted me to sell it, you know, in little stores and I took a sample and I didn't sell it. I had several samples and I went to work selling magazines for a company, it seems, out of Los Angeles--I don't know what year it was.
. Mr. HUBERT. This was in Dallas?

Mr. Grant.

Oh, yes; but I mean this particular agency handles all magazines.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you stay in Dallas during that period?