Mrs. Grant.

It seem a couple of months---I don't know--then, I went home. You see, I think it was during the summer--I left my son there in the summer--I just can't remember--honest to God.

Mr. Hubert.

Weren't you in some sort of an export-import business?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, yes; but that was later--I think it was in 1944, 1945, 1946, and 1947.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you were living in Dallas on a rather permanent basis during those years?

Mrs. Grant.

After that--yes.

Mr. Hubert.

So, I gather from your testimony you would fix a time of your permanent domicile or residence in Dallas as about 1944?

Mrs. Grant.

It seems to me I stayed more here then, I was here I would think 3 or 4 years. Even if I went to Chicago I didn't stay long.

Mr. Hubert.

I understand, but your home in the normal sense of the word would have been Dallas after 1944?

Mrs. Grant.

I would say from that time on I was just here until 1948, constantly, well, I mean outside of every year--leaving for a few weeks.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now--what was the export-import business?

Mrs. Grant.

We really didn't do any exporting. That was the name of the Berger-Grant Sales Co. Milton Berger was with me he has since died. We bought and sold caustic soda, soda ash, and my brother Jack made a connection for me to sell irons--regular household irons and lamps and merchandise, but he knew a factory in Chicago and they sent me merchandise and Milton went on the road and through seven or eight States in the South and I handled the business end of it--that was caustic soda, soda ash, and we had a few accounts--the best account I remember is the Rivera people the Rivera family. They bought soda ash and caustic soda from us.

Mr. Hubert.

Who were they?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, Jerry Rivera, his home is in Piedras Negras--they are still there.

Mr. Hubert.

In what State in what country?

Mrs. Grant.

Isn't that right over the border in Mexico?

Mr. Hubert.

I don't know--Piedras Negras--is that it?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

It's in Mexico?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; but he lived in San Antonio a great deal and in Houston he had an office.

Mr. Hubert.

Is he alive?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

When was the last contact with him?

Mrs. Grant.

I think I saw him about 4 years ago--maybe 5.

Mr. Hubert.

And what connection, do you recall?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, he came through--he was at one of the motels and he called my brother and I went out and had dinner with him.

Mr. Hubert.

He called Jack, you mean?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes--now, there are several brothers in the family, and I even met his parents the previous year.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall any connection with that Rivera family or any member of it in the last 4 or 5 years?

Mrs. Grant.

No; but I do know I met his mother and father. They came to Chicago in one of the summers--like in the middle fifties when I was up there. They had called our home in Chicago and his parents were staying at the Palmer House.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know of any connection whatsoever between your brother, Jack Ruby, and any member of the Rivera family in the last 4 or 5 years?

Mrs. Grant.

I don't think he had any business with them.

Mr. Hubert.

Or any connection otherwise?

Mrs. Grant.

He only knew them through me.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know of any connection in any way---business, social. or otherwise, in the last 5 years?

Mrs. Grant.

Nothing--nothing. I am here now exactly a little over 4 years