Mrs. Grant.

and they are running a game in the big casinos where all the bigwigs out of Miami come over for a couple of nights, and that was as much as I knew about it because I have never been to Florida or to that part of Florida.

Mr. Burleson.

Now, as far as you know, Jack and McWillie never had any business relationship, McWillie was just helping Jack out on a vacation?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, Jack was depressed and sick mentally then and we didn't realize it.

Mr. Burleson.

Is that about the time he locked himself up?

Mrs. Grant.

No; he locked himself up before that.

Mr. Burleson.

Do you think of any other person or any other incident or anything else that you know concerning Jack and having any connection in the last 10 years with any one of the so-called criminal element?

Mrs. Grant.

Now, I know he went to New York to talk to a guy by the name of Glazer, but he is considered the wealthiest booking agent, and from what I heard years ago, this guy probably could have been in rackets--I don't know, but he is with the AGVA. I can't explain this---some of these boys have worked themselves up to----

Mr. Burleson.

So that the only contacts that you do know about were through AGVA, or what you have already told us?

Mrs. Grant.

There was nothing--I know when Lenny---he said something about "Maybe he knows somebody in the AGVA."

Mr. Burleson.

Who could help them in the trouble he was having?

Mrs. Grant.

That's fight. He also called--there was a fellow in Chicago by the name of--I have noticed all their names.

Mr. Burleson.

But this is all you can think about?

Mrs. Grant.

But if they have got names, I will answer it.

Mr. Burleson.

All fight, we will get to that.

Mrs. Grant.

I am not trying to get out of it.

Mr. Burleson.

This is all you can think of now?

Mrs. Grant.

Let me explain something before you even--and since this is going in this record--I knew more racketeers than he did. My girl friends lived in classy buildings and there were fellows that worked, they were gambling men. The ran districts in Chicago and when I was 16 or 18, this was the prohibition. We hear all of this stuff and we were intrigued by it, but we didn't know who these people were, but I knew they existed, and truthfully, all in 1 year--in the early forties they were, as you say, bumped off, but he didn't know them, and please believe me I am very truthful and very honest.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's go off the record now and recess until this evening.
(Discussion between counsel off the record.)

Mr. Hubert.

We will recess until 7:30 this evening.
(Whereupon, the proceeding was recessed.)

Testimony of Mrs. Eva Grant Resumed

Mr. Hubert.

The proceeding was reconvened at 7:30 p.m.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I understand that you returned to Chicago to live some time prior to the war, is that correct?

Mrs. Grant.

Let's see----every year I went home I may have stayed a month, 3 months or 4 months.

Mr. Hubert.

No; I mean on a permanent basis.

Mrs. Grant.

I was never there permanent after I married Frank Grant. I mean, if I was there the longest time I was there is the year my father was sick before he died.

Mr. Hubert.

All right; let me put it this way--I am going to ask you if you know some names of people and if you don't know them, all right, but if you do know them, tell us what you know about them. For instance, Frank Howard and Jack Howard--do you know those people?

Mrs. Grant.

No; I don't, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And a man by the name of Erwin Berke [spelling] B-e-r-k-e. Do you know him?

Mrs. Grant.

Never--just doesn't ring a bell, I never have heard the name.