Mrs. Grant.

It was a social meeting club, where all the people from this little town and their families could get together and there are still some in existence believe it or not. And I have a cousin--my father's nephew is still alive. His name is Abraham Rubenstein, by the way.

Mr. Hubert.

And this was a club formed in Chicago by the people of this village who all wanted to enter into the United States?

Mrs. Grant.

That's right--they had come at different times.

Mr. Hubert.

It was a social and a cultural proposition?

Mrs. Grant.

It was a get-together to know they are alive and they have bought a cemetery where you can in due time----

Mr. Hubert.

Did you attend any of the meetings?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was there anything political about them?

Mrs. Grant.

No---I'm going to tell you.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, just tell me.

Mrs. Grant.

Honest to God, there wasn't--they drank and they danced.

Mr. Hubert.

But would you answer my question as to whether or not there was any political activity discussed--the answer is what- -yes or no?

Mrs. Grant.

You may write to the man--Abraham Rubenstein, he is still alive.

Mr. Hubert.

I just want to know whether your impression and your attendance at the meetings of the club indicate to you whether this group at any time had any political implication whatsoever?

Mrs. Grant.

No, no; not that I would know of.

Mr. Hubert.

You never observed any? Of any kind?

Mrs. Grant.

Never.

Mr. Hubert.

Could you tell us something of Jack's youth and education and his childhood--you were older than he was and, therefore, you are able to observe it, I would think..

Mrs. Grant.

I am 2 years older and how far back do you want to go--do you want me to go?

Mr. Hubert.

What kind of education did he have?

Mrs. Grant.

I think he went about a year and a half to high school.

Mr. Hubert.

Were your parents separated?

Mrs. Grant.

My parents were separated--yes.

Mr. Hubert.

When did they separate?

Mrs. Grant.

In the spring of 1921.

Mr. Hubert.

That was when Jack was about 10 years old?

Mrs. Grant.

Let's see, if he was born in 1911--yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Who did Jack and you live with--your father or your mother?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, I went to live my mother has--these people don't live there any more, in Maywood, Ill., my mother's niece the daughter of this Sarah Moskowitz, Bertha Miller, I went to live with her for a while. Then my father took an apartment, such as it was and I went to live with him for a while, and--you want to know?

Mr. Hubert.

What about Jack himself?

Mrs. Grant.

Now, this is something that there is a haziness about it--two of my brothers were put on a farm with some people. It seems to me I don't know which two--went to Woodstock, Ill., and one went to a place called West Chicago or Chicago Heights and I have forgotten whether Jack was by himself and Earl and Sammy went to a place. Then later on it seemed to me Jack went to stay with a family, maybe a year later, called the Michelles--he admired them.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, is it fair to state that apparently the family broke up; is that correct?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes--well, my mother had a nervous breakdown. That was the first time, because of the dissension in the home because of my father's activities of drinking.

Mr. Hubert.

Is your father an alcoholic?

Mrs. Grant.

Well, he lived until 89--how can we prove it--you know, we never knew if he was drunk or sober, but he drank plenty.

Mr. Hubert.

When did he die?