Mr. Hubert.

Did your mother have any brothers or sisters?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you name them, please. if you remember?

Mrs. Grant.

One was Sarah--they are dead--do you still want the names?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes, ma'am--did she marry anyone?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes, I know the name real good--wait a minute isn't that terrible Moskowitz [spelling] M-o-s-k-o-w-i-t-z.

Mr. Hubert.

Did any of your mother's relatives----

Mrs. Grant.

There is another one.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, go ahead.

Mrs. Grant.

Her brother lived until a couple of years ago. His name was Harry Rutland, and after he arrived in this country, which is 65 years ago, I would say, or close to that time, he changed his name from Rutkowfsky to Rutland, and he lived for 45 years in Denver, Colo., and he died in, let's say, the last 3 or 4 years, I don't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Did the sister that you mentioned come to the United States?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

All three of the children?

Mrs. Grant.

At different times they arrived.

Mr. Hubert.

Came to the United States and settled in the United States; is that right?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was there any communication between your mother and her sisters and brothers after they came here?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

They were your aunts, in fact?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, we were very close when they were alive. Let me say there was a great family, but they were killed out in Europe.

Mr. Hubert.

All of these people are dead now and have been for some time?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, turning to your father's side of the family, what was your father's name?

Mrs. Grant.

His name was Joseph Rubenstein.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have any brothers and sisters?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; he had a brother that came over 2 years later. His name was Abraham.

Mr. Hubert.

What happened to him?

Mrs. Grant.

He died 7 years ago or 6 years ago.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he live in the United States?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; he did, in Chicago.

Mr. Burleson.

He had settled here too, then?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes, he did.

Mr. Hubert.

What was your father's employment?

Mrs. Grant.

He was a carpenter.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he work for anyone as a regular proposition?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes; he worked for the U.S. Government during World War I, Baltimore, Md.; he built barracks, he was a union member for 55 years.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he belong to any other clubs?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes--he came from a town called Sokovosolover, Poland.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know how to spell that?

Mrs. Grant.

Oh, we could never get it right, it's a case of "Sokovosolover"--we could never get it right, but there is a town there by that name and he was born in that town. Let me explain this--his people, country people, came to this country. From that particular stay, they formed this club. It was called Verein, and it was a social meeting or group where all the people from this little town and families would get together and there are still some in existence, believe it or not, and probably in Chicago and I have a cousin, my father's nephew is still alive. His name is Abraham Rubenstein.

Mr. Hubert.

And this was a club formed in Chicago by the people of this village who all came to the United States?

Mrs. Grant.

Yes--that's right, they did come at different times.

Mr. Hubert.

It was a social and cultural get-together?