Mr. Griffin.

Your mother died while Jack was still in Chicago. When was that?

Mr. Ruby.

1944.

Mr. Griffin.

Jack was in the service?

Mr. Ruby.

That is right.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you know he did that?

Mr. Ruby.

He told us he went to services. You can say services there too as long as the chaplain----

Mr. Griffin.

Would he have to go before a rabbi or chaplain of some sort?

Mr. Ruby.

Really not necessarily; it is not--because they say if it isn't available, you can still say the prayer.

Mr. Griffin.

This could be something he could have done on his bunk, his cot in the Army?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't know. There he had access to a chaplain though because it wasn't a large camp.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Ruby.

When I say you don't have access, I am thinking of overseas where it might be a small unit, like where I was there wasn't a Jewish chaplain.

Mr. Griffin.

What I am trying to get at is this occurred while he was in the service. In order for him to properly observe mourning for your mother would he have had to have done something so that somebody else would have to be aware he was doing this other than Jack simply telling them. Would he have done something in his area where he lived or light a candle or would he have gone to a chaplain or gone. in some place and prayed where people could have seen him. What would there have been observed by other people?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't know. How can I answer that. I wasn't with him.

Mr. Griffin.

But you know what the requirements are of the Jewish faith to properly observe mourning for people.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What would some of the things have been that Jack would have had to have done?

Mr. Ruby.

Just say the prayer, to read it out of the book or if you know it from memory, by that time after a while you know it from memory.

Mr. Griffin.

And he could have repeated that to himself?

Mr. Ruby.

It is possible. But if a rabbi or services are available that is where you usually go. But if you are at a remote place where it isn't possible to have services then you can say it.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you actually recall Jack telling you that he was going to services for your mother?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; definitely.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did he tell you that he went?

Mr. Ruby.

He just said he was carrying on the services but I don't remember now. This happened 20 years ago.

Mr. Griffin.

What I am trying to get at is your not saying that you recall him telling you he went to a chapel or to a synagogue or a temple.

Mr. Ruby.

No; all he said was that he said services.

Mr. Griffin.

I see.

Mr. Ruby.

But as to where I didn't think it was at that time necessary to question him.

Mr. Griffin.

Are there any other examples of this concern with his religious heritage?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I told you about he read all the books or as many books as he could on the Jewish atrocities, whatever you might call them.

Mr. Griffin.

He did this down in Dallas?

Mr. Ruby.

He did this in Dallas that I know, my sister told me. In fact, when I went there he had several books.

Mr. Griffin.

What kind, do you remember the names of the books?

Mr. Ruby.

He had one called "Eva" and "Exodus", and another one there that he was reading, and then he would give them away after he finished. I can't think of the other one. It was still there while I was there.

Mr. Griffin.

When was this that you observed "Eva" and "Exodus"?

Mr. Ruby.

Right after the incident I went down there.