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(Testimony of Earl Ruby Resumed)
Mr. Griffin.
Well now, this group that was referred to as the Dave Miller gang.
Mr. Ruby.
Dave Miller was a referee.
Mr. Griffin.
Dave Miller was a referee?
Mr. Ruby.
Yes; Davy Miller was a referee in Chicago for many years.
Mr. Griffin.
And he ran a gymnasium?
Mr. Ruby.
Yes; to train the fighters.
Mr. Griffin.
And did Dave Miller have a following of some sort?
Mr. Ruby.
Well, I would say it was--there was a restaurant downstairs and it was a hangout. He owned the restaurant and the gym, and he was a referee so the fighters hung around there and other people came around to see the fighters, so it was a general hangout for people of that type.
Mr. Griffin.
Did the Dave Miller gang have anything to do with these efforts to break up the Bund meetings?
Mr. Ruby.
I think so, but I don't have any concrete evidence. I think they did.
Mr. Griffin.
Would you go ahead and tell us--let me ask you this, rather. You say that your awareness of your brother's, what we'll call involvement with his Jewish background or his position in society as a person of Jewish background, was brought to your attention by someone else. Who brought this to your attention?
Mr. Ruby.
No; what was brought to my attention, I knew he was also interested in the Jewish problem, but I didn't think it entered into this picture because I didn't--this article here that was drawn up by Sol Dann, who through his daughter, a friend of the family, became interested in it because he could see what was in the background, and he studied all the things and he got some information from me and he talked to my brother, my sister and the psychiatrists on the case, and the more he talked to them the more he could see that this was an obsession with my brother, who probably didn't realize it was as great an obsession as it actually was, and that is probably one of the reasons why Belli mentioned to me on a few occasions, "I can't get across to your brother. I don't have a client."
He says, "I have a patient, not a client."
He mentioned that to me several times. He says, "I can't get through to your brother."
Mr. Griffin.
Did he give any specific indications?
Mr. Ruby.
No; I didn't go any further either, because I thought Belli was such a great lawyer. I say--I don't even remember what I said, I just--then he had psychiatrists, when the psychiatrist would interview my brother he would talk to him afterward, and if ever I asked, I mean, what they say, he says, "Well, they claim he is sick, he has got this"--I don't know the medical terms he used, you know, and so on and so forth, and, "We have a good case, he is definitely sick," and all that, but the real problem, I mean the obsession itself, I don't think that even registered with Belli or the other psychiatrists, because as far as I know--because it was never mentioned at the trial, and the psychiatrists never mentioned it to us, and we didn't think to tell it to them, because we didn't know if it had any importance or not, but we find now in talking to the psychiatrists that it is of great importance and it was probably one of the factors in his thinking the way he did.
Mr. Griffin.
What about Mr. Burleson--did he tell you during this period, when you didn't understand what he was talking about-- what did he tell you about Jack?
Mr. Ruby.
Well, he was aloof from us. That was the big problem with that trial.
Mr. Griffin.
Let me say, Mr. Ruby, I don't want to, I am not asking you to comment on the way Mr. Burleson conducted himself, but I am trying to find out what it was he said to you about Jack which you didn't comprehend at the time.
Mr. Ruby.
He said he is getting himself involved with all the Jews all over the world on an international scale "He is off his rocker"--that was one of his
Mr. Griffin.
Did he specify any of the things Jack was talking about?
Mr. Ruby.
No; he used to say, "Jews all over the world, on an international
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