Mr. Ruby.

No; not in the United States. I don't think so.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have some original discussion with Woodfield that it would appear, that he would try to sell it to a national magazine?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, our agreement was that he would sell it--yes, that if he could sell it to a national magazine that he would.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any discussions with him about selling it to the Saturday Evening Post?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

When did that discussion take place?

Mr. Ruby.

Not until later; probably down in Dallas when we met in Dallas later on.

Mr. Griffin.

How much did the Ruby defense ultimately realize from that newspaper article?

Mr. Ruby.

The net?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Ruby.

A little over $30,000.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you people get---did the Ruby defense also get contributions from people?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; but very little, very little.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you tell us approximately what the total of the contributions were?

Mr. Ruby.

Contributions--are you speaking right up to today now or until the trial?

Mr. Griffin.

Not until the exact day. But do you have some figure as to what it was up to today? Roughly, what it is? I don't ask you to be accurate to the penny.

Mr. Ruby.

Well now, you see there are two funds, the story fund and a separate fund that a defense committee was trying to raise.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, the story fund comprises the $30,000.

Mr. Ruby.

Separate; yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Is there anything else in that fund besides the $30,000, or did anything else go into it?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I put in whatever donations my brother received in the jail I deposited. It was only--I don't think it was $500 from there.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, other monies were given for the defense, though, were they not?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did they go into the defense committee fund? Did these other monies go into the defense committee fund?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, they were used for paying the bills, if that is what you mean.

Mr. Griffin.

What I am trying to get at is, you say there are two funds, one fund is what you call the newspaper fund----

Mr. Ruby.

Well, you see, that--the .newspaper--was more or less Jack Ruby's own fund. He authorized to write the story, and that was more or less his own fund.

Mr. Griffin.

I see.

Mr. Ruby.

But this is a separate committee that was set up in Chicago, and they got several hundred dollars but we spent--well, on one ad we spent $200 for the ad and we got $205 back--to give you an idea. We kept using the money hoping to get more money in but it didn't work out too well.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you tell us who the members of that defense committee are?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, yes. There is Michael Levin, a lawyer in Chicago, my brother Hyman Ruby, Rubenstein, and Barney Ross, Marty Eritt.
Then there is another one or two in there that I am not too familiar with. But they have got stationery. I don't have it with me.

Mr. Griffin.

What efforts did they make to obtain funds?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, they wrote some letters and they did advertising, as I told you. However, quite a few of the quite a few--most of the newspapers wouldn't take the ad. The Chicago papers wouldn't take it. The Tribune, and the Sun-Times in Chicago wouldn't take an ad for an appeal for funds for Jack Ruby.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you ever given any reasons?