Mr. Ruby.

the sheriff, the police chief, had suggested, and he says, "Well, there is no harm. You might as well do it and get it over with."
So we called a press conference, I think it was, for 2 o'clock in the afternoon, something like that, and our rabbi came over, Rabbi Adler, and then I think right after that, I think some special agents called and came in or came over, and I think there were some there in the evening. Again, I think they came. And that ended that day. That was Monday. And then we started talking about attorneys and what to do and who to use.

Mr. Griffin.

You say, "we started talking about it." Who was this?

Mr. Ruby.

I talked to the family, and I talked to--we talked back and forth so many times. I am talking about Chicago, you know.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Ruby.

And I think they were in touch with Dallas. I think Eva and Sam, they were talking back and forth, more or less continually.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have anything to do with getting Mr. Tonahill into the case?

Mr. Ruby.

Indirectly; yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you who you directly got into the case, if anybody?

Mr. Ruby.

Belli.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you tell us how Mr. Belli came to get into the case?

Mr. Ruby.

Jack called. They let him use the phone down there. He talked to me or someone. Anyhow, we were talking about a lawyer then. We were all excited about getting the right lawyer. And he mentioned--I am trying to get it straight in my mind here. Oh, yes; he mentioned somebody Wanted some information on his life or something, a life story or something, something to that effect, and he said to contact Mike Shore in California, in Los Angeles, who is a friend of ours, and he was a pretty well known publicity man.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know Mike Shore before you called?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

How did you happen to know Mike Shore?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, actually, I know him since high school days in Chicago. He originally lived in Chicago.

Mr. Griffin.

Was he a classmate of yours in high school?

Mr. Ruby.

No; but he went to the same school, if I remember, and I really didn't get acquainted with him until after we got out of school.

Mr. Griffin.

What was your acquaintance with Mike Shore after you got out of school?

Mr. Ruby.

Just On a general hello and how are you basis, nothing real close.

Mr. Griffin.

But in what connection would you see him?

Mr. Ruby.

Then he became----

Mr. Griffin.

Do you understand my question? In what connection would you see him after you got put of school?

Mr. Ruby.

I used to be a lifeguard at a swimming pool close to where he lived and he used to come over there once in a great while, just a few blocks from his house. And he used to--he was a Good Humor salesman, and we would go out and see him where he parked his truck or something once in a great while. But that was because he was more friendly with other people than he was With me. In other words, I wasn't one of his buddies. I would go along just for the ride.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you do any business with him?

Mr. Ruby.

I am coming to that. Then he became he opened up the Mike Shore Advertising and he is the one that was behind Earl Muntz, you know, and the cars and the television. That is Michael Shore. And I did some business with him along in manufacturing. He got into the manufacturing of an item, a food seasoner. It was a large aluminum needle and you filled it with some different meat flavors and you injected it in the meat. Somebody talked him into it. He was doing very well, and he invested in it. Anyhow, it wasn't made correctly so they couldn't sell it, so he asked me since at that time I was in manufacturing, if I could correct the defect so they could at least sell them and market them, which I did. They shipped all these to me, I don't know how many thousand, 5,000 or 10,000, and we reworked them and fixed them and sold them for him. Then not too long after that Muntz practically went bankrupt, so