Mr. Ruby.

better let them in, they are special agents, which we did. There were four, I think. Four agents came in at one time.

Mr. Griffin.

And did they interview you and your brother and your sister?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; all of us.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you being interviewed simultaneously by the Bureau?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; in different parts of the house.

Mr. Griffin.

So that while you were being interviewed, one or more of your brothers and sisters were also being interviewed.

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, yes; they talked to one sister, I think one agent talked to her in the kitchen or dining room or another part of the house, and one or two were with us.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, at the time the Secret Service agents had talked to you, had you had a chance to talk with any of your family in Dallas?

Mr. Ruby.

Had I?

Mr. Griffin.

Excuse me, at the time that the FBI talked to you, did you have an opportunity to talk with any of your family in Dallas?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't think I even had time. I don't think so.

Mr. Griffin.

You don't recall having talked to them?

Mr. Ruby.

No; but I don't think so at all. There was just not enough time. I called Chicago, if I recall that is all I called. I don't think I called Dallas.

Mr. Griffin.

Had Hyman or your sisters in Chicago had a chance to talk with Eva or Sam?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't know. I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

When you arrived in Chicago and talked with Sam----

Mr. Ruby.

With Hy, you mean.

Mr. Griffin.

With Hy, yes--did you discuss any contacts that Hyman had had with Jack over the weekend?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you remain in Chicago on the 24th?

Mr. Ruby.

I just remained overnight and went back to Detroit, because my wife called me late at night, I don't know what time it was, very late anyhow, and she said, "You had better come home. The reporters are just driving me crazy." She was terribly upset. So the next morning I flew back.

Mr. Griffin.

While you were in Chicago, did you make any plans with respect to obtaining an attorney for your brother?

Mr. Ruby.

While I was there for that little while?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Ruby.

No; but I think if I recall correctly Tom Howard was already in the picture. I heard his name. I didn't talk to him, but as far as I know I heard his name on the air, that he was representing Jack, or something to that effect. At least I think so. But I don't know if that was before I left for Detroit or not.

Mr. Griffin.

What was the nature of your meeting with your brothers and sisters in Chicago?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, they were upset and they suggested I come there. So I came there.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any discussion as to what you could do for Jack?

Mr. Ruby.

We probably did, but there was nothing definite made, no definite arrangements. I know that I called, I think, Tom Howard. He was the first attorney, if you remember, to represent Jack, Monday morning after I arrived back home, because when I arrived there we had police at the house already, and the chief of police and my wife came down to meet me at the plane, and en route back my wife was telling me how the newspaper reporters were bothering her, they wouldn't let her sleep. They were there until 2 o'clock in the morning and whatnot, you know. So I didn't know what to do. So I asked the chief of police--his name is Sackett--a very nice man--what would he suggest. They all wanted information, a press conference or what. He said, "If I were you, the only way you are going to get rid of them is give them a press conference." But I didn't know if that was the correct thing to do, so I am quite sure I called Tom Howard and told him who I was and told him that all these news people wanted a press conference and what should I do. And I told him what