Mr. Griffin.

No.

Mr. Ruby.

That would be before that?

Mr. Griffin.

No; that was after.

Mr. Ruby.

Before.

Mr. Griffin.

That was the latter part of 1962 and the first part of 1963.

Mr. Ruby.

Late 1962 and 1963.

Mr. Griffin.

And early 1963. I believe also you indicated to Mr. Hubert that you didn't recognize the name of the Ypsilanti Buffing Co. as anybody that you had dealt with.

Mr. Hubert.

Or maybe you did identify that one.

Mr. Ruby.

No; I don't think so. Now when was this about? Maybe this had to do with polishing or plating that same basket that we use in our dry cleaning operation. I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

How about the Public Vending Corp?

Mr. Ruby.

No; Public Vending, where are they located? Is that a long distance call, you say?

Mr. Griffin.

That is a long distance call. When did you have this problem with the plating that required some work?

Mr. Ruby.

Last year.

Mr. Griffin.

What part of last year would that have been?

Mr. Ruby.

No, excuse me; yes, the end of last year, that is right, the end of last year, and that is when I think if they could do that, and I may have called. I used the yellow pages. I tried to get information from anyone as to who could do it, so Ypsilanti, and they may have said no and I crossed it out of my mind immediately.

Mr. Griffin.

Now the General Scientific Corp. is not a corporation that you recognize?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, yes; oh, yes. We bought lenses from them for the camera.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Berger Products?

Mr. Ruby.

That don't register with me. What city? That isn't in Cleveland, is it, by chance, because I just called Berger Products I think Monday, but that wouldn't be on there. That is this Monday. See, we buy different articles from different parts of the country, and it is hard to remember each one.

Mr. Griffin.

Are these purchases in connection with your drycleaning business or some other business?

Mr. Ruby.

Which, Troy? That was for the drycleaning. The lens, that was for my camera.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you asked him, Mr. Hubert, about what percentage of his time is spent with----

Mr. Hubert.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you give us some idea what percentage of your time is spent with the camera company and what percentage with the drycleaning business?

Mr. Ruby.

The camera company is practically nil. In fact, it is out of business now. Over a 2-year period I only did about $10,000 gross sales, I think.

Mr. Griffin.

Last year how much of your time was devoted to the camera company?

Mr. Ruby.

When you say time, actually I took care of it more or less out of my home.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any other businesses last year besides the camera company and the drycleaning business?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I had the nameplate business. That all comes under Earl Ruby Co., both of those.

Mr. Griffin.

How much of your time did the nameplate business take?

Mr. Ruby.

Very little. I don't think I did a thousand dollars in the last 2 years on that, so you can imagine how much time that took up. And then that is dead now. In fact, the orders were so small that instead of manufacturing the plates myself, for which I have the tools and dies, I had somebody else do it for me that makes a similar item.

Mr. Griffin.

What kind of nameplates are they?

Mr. Ruby.

A little plate 3 inches by 6 inches made out of metal. It is very