(Testimony of Earl Ruby)
Mr. Griffin.
Scorta. Now this would be somebody who lives or works in Chicago. Do you have any recollection of any association with anybody like that?
Mr. Ruby.
Scorta, Scorta? Not at all.
Mr. Griffin.
Mr. Hubert also indicated to me that you didn't recognize the name of a man named Kirk Bibul?
Mr. Ruby.
That is right; I don't.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you have any friends or acquaintances at Northwestern University or in Evanston?
Mr. Ruby.
Gee, I lived in Chicago all my life. I have got any number of friends that went to school there but that name still doesn't sound familiar.
Mr. Griffin.
Are your children of college age?
Mr. Ruby.
No; the oldest one is only 15.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you have anyone who has access to your house phone or business phone?
Mr. Ruby.
The only thing I can think of, I don't know, is he a music teacher?
Mr. Griffin.
This is what I am asking you. Do you know a music teacher?
Mr. Ruby.
My wife was trying to contact a music teacher at Northwestern to send my children to him for piano lessons.
Mr. Griffin.
When was that? I mean, how long ago was this?
Mr. Ruby.
It has got to be 3 years ago.
Mr. Griffin.
This is while you lived in Chicago?
Mr. Ruby.
Yes; that is the only thing I can think of. Or if he has anything to do .with music teaching there, that is the only reason I can think of.
Mr. Hubert.
Suppose we get this into the record. Could you give us the names of the people who would have had access to the telephones at the Cobo Cleaners, and who might have made long distance calls during the years 1962 and 1963?
Mr. Ruby.
Any one of our employees could have. It would be very difficult. I could give you the list, but there is quite a few.
Mr. Hubert.
Would an employee make a long-distance call without your consent?
Mr. Ruby.
No; I don't think so.
Mr. Hubert.
Who would be authorized to make it without clearing with you first, let's put it that way?
Mr. Ruby.
Anyone; anyone probably other than my wife or my partner that I can think of. That is about all.
Mr. Hubert.
You mean by that that the only ones who would be authorized without clearing it first would be your partner and your wife?
Mr. Ruby.
Yes; for very long-distance calls. Now we call the suburbs as I told you, Pontiac, Walled Lake, or Mount Clemens. Those are 25¢ or 30¢ calls. Because we cover that area and our trucks go there, our call girl will be calling them any number of times during the month.
Mr. Hubert.
How many employees did you have during this period? I know it would vary, but an average?
Mr. Ruby.
Probably 50.
Mr. Hubert.
Now the phones are in the office?
Mr. Ruby.
Not all of them. We have one in the back end that anybody could use.
Mr. Hubert.
Is that a pay phone?
Mr. Ruby.
We have a pay phone and a company phone.
Mr. Hubert.
What are the numbers of each ? What is the pay phone number?
Mr. Ruby.
. The pay phone I don't know. They took that out. I don't know what that is. I never use it.
Mr. Hubert.
It is still there?
Mr. Ruby.
Oh, yes.
Mr. Hubert.
What is the number of the regular?
Mr. Ruby.
860-3400.
Mr. Hubert.
Where is that located?
Mr. Ruby.
We have one in the marking room as we call it at the back end of the plant. We have four extensions in the front office where the girls are. We have an extension phone in my office.
Mr. Hubert.
Are those all on the same line, the same number?
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