Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And that in the course of that conversation he asked you about the Havana call and that you identified or thought that it was a telegram?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't see why. I don't recall sending a telegram. I can't think of why it would be in 1962. I can't think of any reason for it.

Mr. Hubert.

IS it possible that someone else could have called and charged it to the Cobo Cleaners account?

Mr. Ruby.

I doubt it. I just can't imagine who in 1962.

Mr. Hubert.

In April of 1962 you were with Cobo Cleaners in Detroit already?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes. I can't think of any reason.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any policy in your business about getting approval before long-distance calls were made, or how did you manage that aspect?

Mr. Ruby.

No; I mean I don't watch it that close because we have so many. Wouldn't we know, or isn't there somebody where we sent it so it could refresh my memory? I don't think I did.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a man by the name of Pratkins, or possibly Praskins?

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you ever been to Cuba yourself?

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Coming back to that Welch Co. I mentioned a moment ago, would it help you if I stated that I think they are located in Cambridge, Mass., and it is the Welch Candy Co.? Do you recall anything about that?

Mr. Ruby.

No; you know my brother Hy sells candy. How long ago does this go back? It doesn't register with me at all.

Mr. Hubert.

This would have been in May of 1963.

Mr. Ruby.

The name doesn't register at all.

Mr. Hubert.

You have no recollection that you yourself made any call to the James Welch Candy Co. in Cambridge, Mass.?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't think so.

Mr. Hubert.

Would there be a possibility that someone could have used your phone and done that?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't think they would. The only possibility, if my brother Hy does business with them, the only possibility I can think of is that perhaps at that time he was visiting me and called them. But he would ask me first, I think.
[I do recall making a call to Welch Candy to ask them if they were to continue using my camera as a premium.]

Mr. Hubert.

Did he visit you during the year 1963?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

About what time of the year?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it in the spring?

Mr. Ruby.

I am not sure.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it about a year ago?

Mr. Ruby.

He stopped in a couple of times. Yes; when he is in the territory he stops in.

Mr. Hubert.

Suppose we take a breather for a minute.
(Brief recess.)

Mr. Hubert.

Mr. Griffin, who is working with me in this area, has some questions to ask you, so let's get back on the record with the statement that this is a continuation of the deposition under the same authority that was used for the commencement of the deposition, and that you are still under the same oath that you were at the beginning, and may we have this understanding, that if we have any further recesses as I think we will, that the continuation thereafter will be under the same authority that we started off with, and that you will be under oath throughout? Do you agree to that?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to save some time. All right, Mr. Griffin.

Mr. Griffin.

What I would like to do at the outset, Mr. Ruby, is to go back over some of the names that Mr. Hubert had talked with you about before, and maybe I can ask some questions which might be able to refresh your recollection. He indicated to me that you didn't recognize the name of Dominic