Mr. Ruby.

in-law owns in Marion, Ind., is called Modern Laundry and Dry Cleaners, and his brother-in-law's name there is Harry Marks.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that his sister's husband?

Mr. Ruby.

Husband, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

All right.

Mr. Ruby.

And the name of the plant in Benton Harbor, Mich., is called the American Laundry and Dry Cleaners, and the brother- in-law there who is married to George Marcus' sister is Elwood Jacobs.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know those people, the two brothers-in-law?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, yes, you know, being close to my best friend for so many years, I was always close to the family as a whole.

Mr. Hubert.

But you have no interest in those plants?

Mr. Ruby.

No, no.

Mr. Hubert.

And you have a 50-percent interest in the Cobo plant?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did we have some indication that there was a company or something, sort of a business enterprise called the Earl Ruby Co? Will you tell us about that?

Mr. Ruby.

When I sold the Earl Products Co., I sold the whole Earl Products Co. and he was supposed to pay me he gave me so much money down, about $20,000 down, I think--and he was supposed to pay me the balance out so much a year.
Well, after he paid so much, he paid me for about a year or so, he said he can't pay me any more money, he wants to make a new deal on the balance of the money that he owed me. So we made a deal that he would only give me $10,000 more. He owed me about $30,000 or so. We settled for $10,000 in cash plus I would take over the camera manufacturing. We had a little camera we manufactured. He would give me the tools and dies of .that business, and also the tools and dies to make a little nameplate that kids fasten on the back of their bicycles. So when I took that over, I had to have a company name to run it, and so I decided .to call that Earl Ruby Co.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any associates in that company?

Mr. Ruby.

No, no. And I since, last year I had to close that up. It was just not doing any----

Mr. Hubert.

That operation continued after you left Chicago?

Mr. Ruby.

When I sold it to Oliff, you mean? Oh, yes; for awhile.

Mr. Hubert.

No, no; I mean the Earl Ruby Co.?

Mr. Ruby.

No. When I left Chicago, there was no Earl Ruby Co. It only became after he decided he couldn't pay me the rest of the money, then I had to start all over again.

Mr. Hubert.

You were in Detroit at the time?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes. I couldn't use Earl Products because he owned that name. I sold him the name.

Mr. Hubert.

But the operation of the Earl Ruby Co. manufacturing the cameras and the bicycle plates?

Mr. Ruby.

I moved it to Detroit.

Mr. Hubert.

Oh, you moved it to Detroit?

Mr. Ruby.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you operated then out of Detroit?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, but----

Mr. Hubert.

So you were operating at that time two businesses?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

The cleaning and the----

Mr. Ruby.

Yes. Well, the other business I don't think in all the time I had it, I don't think I did $10,000 worth of business in the 2 years that I tried to run it. It just fizzled out and now there is nothing.

Mr. Hubert.

It folded when?

Mr. Ruby.

I folded it at the end of the year.

Mr. Hubert.

Which year?

Mr. Ruby.

At the end of 1963.

Mr. Hubert.

And you had run it about 2 years?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, about 2 years, I would say, and there was just no more sales.