Mr. Ruby.

Oh, I made some of those; yes, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, the machines were solely music machines?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

No slot machines?

Mr. Ruby.

No, no, no. No slot machines. This is one of the better rated companies in this field, very nice people.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you stay?

Mr. Ruby.

I stayed with them about a year. Then my best friend's brother, my best friend's name is Mike Nemzin, his brother's name is George Marcus, that is his name legally.

Mr. Hubert.

They have different names but the fact is they are brothers?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; that is right. That is why I wanted to mention that. He owned----

Mr. Hubert.

When you say "he" who do you mean?

Mr. Ruby.

George Marcus; I am now speaking of.

Mr. Hubert.

The brother of your best friend?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes. In fact, he was instrumental in my getting the other job for Worldwide Music because he knew one of the he was in the dry cleaning business, George Marcus has today one plant in Marion, Ind. and one plant in Benton Harbor, Mich., and has a brother-in-law running each one. And we had been friends for about 25 or 30 years, and he approached me with the idea of going into business with him in another cleaning plant if we could locate a good one. You know, buy a going business, of course, and I was very much interested.

Mr. Hubert.

That is Marcus?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; Marcus I am speaking of.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, your best friend was his brother?

Mr. Ruby.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

But you were friendly with him for 25 years?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, sir; yes. In fact, he originally helped me get started when I first came out of service. I had no money to speak of.

Mr. Hubert.

That is Marcus?

Mr. Ruby.

Marcus, and he lent me $500, I think, to get started.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, go on and tell us what happened?

Mr. Ruby.

And Marcus and I talked over the possibility of going into the cleaning business together, and he being so successful, I was very happy that he even, you know, came to me and was interested in my running the plant, because he is more or less a silent partner.
So, sure enough, we checked out a few plants and then we happened to hear of this plant in Detroit, Cobo Cleaners, that is the plant. It was originally owned by the mayor of Detroit. And we heard about this plant and we went to Detroit, checked that out and checked out the possibilities, and we decided it was a pretty good deal. And so we bought that as equal partners. And that was in 1961, October of 1961.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you pay for it?

Mr. Ruby.

We paid for it, for the real estate and the business, $120,000.

Mr. Hubert.

And you each put up half?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes. Of course, we only paid so much down, you know. We didn't pay the full price, of course.

Mr. Hubert.

And that is the business you are in now?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And you run the operation?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; and he is more or less silent. He lives in Glenview, Ill., a suburb of Chicago.

Mr. Hubert.

And as I understand it, he owns these other plants that you mentioned?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And runs them through----

Mr. Ruby.

The brother-in-laws. But he gave the brother-in-laws 35 percent of each one.

Mr. Hubert.

I think for the record perhaps we had better state the names of those other companies and the cities and the names of the brothers-in-law.

Mr. Ruby.

OK. The name of the plant that George Marcus and his brother-